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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:56:55 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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Hi,

I have acurtain wall and in the elevation view's i need to show the Glass portion of the curtain panel as a light blue colour. The glass in the curtain system is actually a light brown. what is the best way to approach this?

If I use a Graphic Override the whole panel including the frame changes colour.

I supose i could create the Glass as one panel, the frame as another panel then the mullions as a third panel but then it gets very hard to control.

Anyone got any way around this.


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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:46:54 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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King, Just a question, Why don't you select the panel then right button and "select all instances", properties and change (replace) the material glass for the one you want?

 


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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:50:40 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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hi typhoon,

when you do what you suggest it it will change the material in all views, i just need to chnage it in one view.


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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:23:33 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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King,

You were on the right track to begin with, if you dont want to universally change the glass material.  In the elevation view, select only the glass panel (hover and tab until you can select independently of the frame and grid) and "select all instances).  Then right click and "overide graphics in view."  This will allow you to select a surface color for all the glass panels without it affect the actual properties of the glass, thus limiting the override to that particular view.  You will have to go through this process in each elevation.


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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 5:26:36 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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P.S. The graphic override is easiest to manage through the visibility graphics dialogue, where you can in one click override the surface color of "curtain panels" for each specific view.

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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:00:10 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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hi not sure if you are getting what i'm at,

see the rvt file attached.

what i'd like is the panel which is green to appear light blue in an elevation view.

thanks for all your input.

 



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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:21:28 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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I see you have set it up differently than I presumed.  Typically, I would not create the mullions as part of the curtain panel family.  When you load this family into your project and specify it as the panel in the curtain system, Revit is not able to disassociate mullions from panels the way it normally would. 

If you continue with it configured this way, you will need to create a separate material for the blue panel and give it whatever material properties it is supposed to have.  Then you can leave un-checked the box that says, "Use render appearance for shading" and choose whichever color you want to show on-screen in your views.  However, this will be the appearance for all of your shaded views.  You will not be able to "tab" to select the panel independently of the mullions, since Revit thinks each of the several pieces (including mullions) is part of the one panel; therefore, you cannot "override graphics in view" for what you consider the panel to be.

 Does that make sense?


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Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:53:31 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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Yeah King, I don't create the mullions in the curtain panel family either....

 


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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:35:01 AM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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hey typhoon, cory.

thanks for your advice i'm well aware that revit isn't meant to have the mullions as part of the panel, but then revit can't have hollow mullions.

the system  i'm doing is what i would consider only relativley complex, but is about to get a lot more complex. we are doing a refurb and this curtain system is about to become double skinned.

so i have no choose but to make the mullion in the curtain panel, the just show it hollow in one detail view will not work.

so this is now what i'm looking at.

make the large vert mullion as on panel - make the glass panle as a seperate curtain panel - make the horizontal  frame (they are a frame and not mullions) as a mullion as they aren't hollow.

i believe the above will work only problem is they are in 3 buildings 8 stories high, thats a whole lot of re-creating to do. this initself isn't a problem- but i wish Autodesk would concentrate on some of the basics like 1 -being able to control visibility of sub objects (even if only with the paint tool) 2 - attach walls to ramps/stairs (9 out of 10 projects we do we need to do this) 3 - give BIM managers more control (notifications of when famlies chang in a project). wish they would of done this than pimp the interface in 2010 or chase the sketchup market with the push pull faces or pattern tool.

rant over thanks guys.


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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:07:51 AM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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A solution may be to add a second glass pane in front of the existing one in the family editor with a different material and an instance type visibilty parameter.  In the elevations this panel can be set to be visible with the desired display, but switched off in the other views.

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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:31:41 AM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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OK, sorry this won't work as you intended, but you can get a certain amount of control by adjusting the visibilty settings of the secondry pane, by switching it off in sections, plans, course and medium detail level views.  If you set the 3d views to be course then they won't display.

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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:26:02 PM | Graphic Override and Curtain Walls

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nice solution tim!

Think that could work well, maybe not this time as i've decided to start breaking up the system so when i start to use IES & GBS to do LEED calculations i believe it will work better.

 

Thanks for all your help.

 


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