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Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:32:17 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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Hey, I've used the 'show hidden lines' tool frequently for quite a while and I find it very useful for showing hidden 3d stuff through other 3d stuff. Recently thought I noticed it allso works when you try to show a 3d element throught a detail component drawn on top of it... well it sort of works - I can see it dashed on the screen but for some reason I won't print - the hidden lines are gone.. has anyone come across this problem before? is it just a fluke or is there a setting in the print preferences or anywhere that will fix that? Thanks!

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Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:36:17 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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.. sorry for the typo - I meant hidden lines won't print even though I can see them on the screen.

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Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:10:37 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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You say that you find the Show Hidden Lines tool useful? Is there some secret to using it? Every time I've tried using it, it never recognizes the object I'm wanting to be visible. It never works for me reagrdless of version (Revit Structure 2011-2014). I'm usually trying to have model elements show through other model elements, like a shear tab on the back side of a beam web, for instance, which is what I thought it was for, but no luck. Suggestions?


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Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:51:18 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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Showing hidden lines is not automatic.  Read this topic in your HELP:

Showing Hidden Element Lines

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Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:56:04 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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That's about as helpful as all the other entries in the Autodesk help site that I've already looked at... The mention of hidden lines subcategory is a start, but I've come across that before, and tried adding that subcategory both in a family and in the project it was loaded in without any success. Revit still doesn't recognize the hidden object. I can pick the obscuring object, but nothing behind it registers. So is there some other secret to using that tool, or does it only recognize a very limited number of object types that I'm never working with in my (structural) projects?


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Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:27:38 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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This is a straight forward process - did you follow it? 

From the HELP:

To show hidden lines

  1. Click View tabGraphics panelShow Hidden drop-down (Show Hidden Lines).
  2. Place the cursor on an element that is hiding another element, and click to select it.

    For example, select a filled region that is overlapping a wall.

  3. Place the cursor on the element with lines to be shown, and click to select it.

    The lines of this element display in a hidden line style through the overlapping element. To change the hidden line style of the element, use the Object Styles tool.

  4. To reverse the effects of this tool, click View tabGraphics panelShow Hidden drop-down (Remove Hidden Lines).
  5. Select the element that will hide the other element.
  6. Select the other element to be hidden.

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Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 1:53:09 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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Yes, everything's straightforward according to the help site. The problem I run into is that 99% of the things I want to display as hidden lines aren't recognized by that tool... hence the question about whether there are only certain things that it works with. They like to use the example of a filled region and a wall. I've seen that several times. Can't think of any times in the last 3 years I've needed to use that, but there's been planty of times I would like a shear tab model element on the back side of a beam (model element) to show up as hidden lines in a section. Or a beam seat on the back side of a column, or a kicker brace behind a beam, etc. If someone knows how to make those show through instead of Autodesk's useless (to me) examples, I'd like to hear it. My problem isn't that Autodesk's help isn't straightforward or that I don't understand how to follow it. It's that the procedure doesn't do anything when I try it on the only stuff I would ever want to use it on. So either it only works on specific categories of objects, or there's some V/G setting or other obscure issue at work.


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Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:48:50 PM | Show Hidden Lines Tool and Detail Elements

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Now you have asked the right questions.  The hidden lines tool works for model elements.  Does it work for nested elements ? - not always (and I have not researched what the rules are here.) Shared family settings may affect this but I have not checked.

 

ALso, I don't believe it works for hidden model elements within a family.  You would have to build those lines in the family.  (That's why hidden lines are available in the family editor.)

 

Did you read this topic as well?  Using Hidden Lines   << This may be your solution.  This is the same basic though process as using an underlay to create "overhead" linework.  You can read about that in the help as well.

 

This topic  Show Hidden Lines  explains how to work with detail components.  

 

All of the help sections relating to hidden lines will help you understand the tools available.


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