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Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:03:18 PM | Lights not emitting light

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Okay so i have the lights inserted correctly and everything, i can get any type of light to emit light except for recessed can lights, which are the type of lights i need to use. Any suggestions?

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Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:07:41 PM | Lights not emitting light

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okay so i found out i need to cut a hole in the floor above but how do i do that?

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Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:40:31 PM | Lights not emitting light

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Why do you need to cut a hole in the floor?  Sound like you need a different light or a lower ceiling.

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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:41:16 PM | Lights not emitting light

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i needed to cut a whole in the floor above because im using recessed can lights and i couldnt get the lights to not be "embedded" into the floor above and im rendering from a point where you can tell if the ceiling doestnt hit the floor above. Do you have any other suggestions??? if so that would very helpful


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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:12:42 PM | Lights not emitting light

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So what you are saying, is that you are not building a real model ... just something that will look good when you render.  Turn off or delete the floor above - then render.

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Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 5:47:09 PM | Lights not emitting light

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correct, but how would i go about doing what you are telling me and make a real model?

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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 8:20:29 AM | Lights not emitting light

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A real model will match the real world ... If you want to use these lights (which I assume are correct) then in the real world, you would need either a lower ceiling or a greater floor to floor. 

 

Your other option - real world - is different lights that will fit in your ceiling space.


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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:55:34 PM | Lights not emitting light

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I believe that there has been issues with this lighting family before.  If you edit the family and lower the light source slightly it should work.

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Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:30:50 PM | Lights not emitting light

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is it possible to edit the family of the light fixture and make it attach to a floor, rather than a ceiling???

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Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:12:32 AM | Lights not emitting light

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I have had this problem, and solved it as follows:  I have recessed lights placed in a ceiling.  It's a sheetrock ceiling, below a stock Revit 10" joist floor above.  The recessed cans are placed in the ceiling and cut it, but they don't cut the floor above, so that the light source, which is 3" up into the can, is above the bottom surface of the floor, and therefore don't illuminate anything.  In the model view, and in the rendering view, you can see that the bottom of the floor slices through the recessed can.  If I temporarily hide the floor above, I can now see up into the cylinder of the can, and I can render the scene just fine, with the lights working.

 I prefer to leave the floor defined as is, because it reflects what's going on structurally.  But I don't like the rendering effects.  So I've edited the floor family structure so that the "structural" joist layer renders transparently, with index of refraction of air.  The lights then work just fine.

 

It's not ideal, but I don't have any ill effects in my models from this - I don't have any situations where the joist structure (which is anyway modeled in the stock Revit family as a solid layer of wood) needs to be rendered.  If I did, I'd use something other than the stock Revit family anyway.

 

I believe that this is a fairly common source of this fairly common problem.  It's easy to investigate, by temporarily hiding items (floors and roofs above) and seeing how rendering is affected.  By the way, wire frame makes it easier to find, hide, and eventually unhide the offending objects.

 

I would avoid manually cutting holes in roofs and floors above, to solve the problem.  That's just asking for problems later, as you move lights around, and as you use revisions - very easy to lose track and get a confusing mess. 

 

Commercial folks, who are dealing with concrete slabs and dropped ceilings, and plenty of space for recessed cans, are pretty unlikely ever to run into this problem.  The references that I have seen seem to be single-family home, which is where I ran into it, where the cans are recessed not only into the ceiling but into the floor above also. 

 

Hope that makes sense. 


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