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Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 12:10:30 PM | Wall attached to floor

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Hello.

I am trying to get a wall and floor to attach properly, as they would in hand drafting. The condition attached is more typical of European drafting than US drafting.

 

1- I need the structural core of the wall (defined as structure) to penetrate through the finish and sand layers of the floor.

If I wanted it to be perfect, the render on both sides of the wall would stop at the finish layer of the floor (top of floor)

 

2- I was trying to get the floor to show thick lines for the 200mm concrete and two thinner lines for the 300mm terazzo tile finish (on top of the 700mm layer of sand which I defined as substrate- don't really know why)

I tried using object styles; floors; common edges, interior edges, slab edges but it seems I am looking for material specific line thicknesses. I would be surprised if this is not available as this is very basic in European graphic standards.

 

Thanks. Ilan. 



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Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 12:13:22 PM | Wall attached to floor

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Sorry, the wall is 200m concrete, 70mm snad fill and 30mm terrazzo tile. Im'e used to centimeters...

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Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 1:30:10 PM | Wall attached to floor

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I don't know if there is an exact way to get the results you are looking for without some clean up afterwards.

1. I was able to get the core of the wall to penetrate through the terrazzo and sand by attaching the wall base to the floor.

2. I had to cheat to get the line work to look right by adding thick lines to the core areas and then do some masking. At this point, I might as well of drew the thing from scratch. Hopefully some one else has a much better solution.

Hope this helps a little at least. 

 

edit: bad formatting and I can't spell



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Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 5:25:17 AM | Wall attached to floor

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This is possible.

Personally for floor finishes I model them independantly of the structural floors as it gives you much greater control.

However, you can achieve what you want by overlapping the wall and floor use the base extention distance parameter and unlocking the finish layers of the wall.  This is done through the preview mode in you wall settings structure defining.  You can then use join geometry between the floor and walls to cut out the unwanted section of floor and wall.

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Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 10:48:27 AM | Wall attached to floor

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Thanks for the replies.

 

Mr. Spot. It seems defining the wall render as Finish-2 and the Floor finish (tiles) as Finish-1 made the former weaker than the latter and then Joining Geometry gave me the attached results. Almost there, except for the thin line at the top layer of the floor crossing the wall. Do you know how to get rid of this section? (I checked whether it was one of the categories in the Floor Object Styles, maybe hidden lines, but it isn't). I learnt about the control of offsets for individual wall layers from your answer, very important stuff, but, in this particular case, no better esults can be achieved following that process.

 

In addition, regarding my second question, Do you achieve thicker lines for the concrete layer, as opposed to the finish tiles layer of the floor by making them two seperate floors? Anyway the thicknesses will be identical as they are both floors and their line thicknesses are dictated by project objet styles and not element properties...correct? (the problem can also be seen on the wall, the thick lines should define the concrete masonry units and not the stucco!)

Is there a way to make the concrete have thicker lines than the finish tiles while having it all one composite floor?

What are the other advantages to having the finish layer as a seperate floor?

 

Thanks very much for the help. 



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Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 1:25:16 PM | Wall attached to floor

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Thanks for the replies.

 

Mr. Spot. It seems defining the wall render as Finish-2 and the Floor finish (tiles) as Finish-1 made the former weaker than the latter and then Joining Geometry gave me the attached results. Almost there, except for the thin line at the top layer of the floor crossing the wall. Do you know how to get rid of this section? (I checked whether it was one of the categories in the Floor Object Styles, maybe hidden lines, but it isn't). I learnt about the control of offsets for individual wall layers from your answer, very important stuff, but, in this particular case, no better esults can be achieved following that process.

 

In addition, regarding my second question, Do you achieve thicker lines for the concrete layer, as opposed to the finish tiles layer of the floor by making them two seperate floors? Anyway the thicknesses will be identical as they are both floors and their line thicknesses are dictated by project objet styles and not element properties...correct? (the problem can also be seen on the wall, the thick lines should define the concrete masonry units and not the stucco!)

Is there a way to make the concrete have thicker lines than the finish tiles while having it all one composite floor?

What are the other advantages to having the finish layer as a seperate floor?

 

Thanks very much for the help. 



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Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 1:26:13 PM | Wall attached to floor

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Thanks for the replies.

 

Mr. Spot. It seems defining the wall render as Finish-2 and the Floor finish (tiles) as Finish-1 made the former weaker than the latter and then Joining Geometry gave me the attached results. Almost there, except for the thin line at the top layer of the floor crossing the wall. Do you know how to get rid of this section? (I checked whether it was one of the categories in the Floor Object Styles, maybe hidden lines, but it isn't). I learnt about the control of offsets for individual wall layers from your answer, very important stuff, but, in this particular case, no better esults can be achieved following that process.

 

In addition, regarding my second question, Do you achieve thicker lines for the concrete layer, as opposed to the finish tiles layer of the floor by making them two seperate floors? Anyway the thicknesses will be identical as they are both floors and their line thicknesses are dictated by project objet styles and not element properties...correct? (the problem can also be seen on the wall, the thick lines should define the concrete masonry units and not the stucco!)

Is there a way to make the concrete have thicker lines than the finish tiles while having it all one composite floor?

What are the other advantages to having the finish layer as a seperate floor?

 

Thanks very much for the help. 



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Tue, Jan 8, 2008 at 1:29:26 PM | Wall attached to floor

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Oops, refreshed the page in Firefox to see if any replies and each time Firefox re-sent the post...

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