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I am working in Revit Architecture 2008. Here is the scenario, maybe there is a better way to do this in general.We have Partition Types Sheets that we are carrying over from AutoCAD and I am recreating as Revit objects in drafting views. There are 5 seperate sheets with a total of about 49 partition types as well as some details and other info. In AutoCAD when you put together your Partition Types sheet you just open the master sheets and copy/paste the partition types you need for your project into your A041 Part. Types sheet and you're done. Not such a smooth deal in Revit. In theory you would copy the drafting view of the sheets template and into your project. But you can not just highlight what you want to copy and paste into your project as you get the "Cannot paste view-specific elements from different views." error message. You can't even paste between drafting views in the same project. The best way I have figured to do this is to make each partition type it's own drafting view that you can drag and drop onto the A041 Partition Types sheet. BUT... this is the bigger problem....I have tried both copying the drafting view by r-clicking on the name of the drafting view and and pasting into the project. And I have tried the File>Insert from File>Views which allows you to pick the views you want to have in your project. Both these methods would be fine EXCEPT... I get the warning:The loaded type "..." has been renamed to "..." to avoid conflicts with the existing type. And then it has a list of types it is renaming (see attached screen capture for more info). So now in my project instead of just having one of that type I have multiples of the same thing renamed with a numeric extension depending on the number of items.(example attached) If I have a large project with a lot of partition types this would get ridiculous and unnecessary. I can't have the other users go through and change everything to the correct type to purge out the rest, this would never work in the long run. Is there any way around this? Some setting that allows duplicate types? Some different way of going bringing the partition types in? I thought about making them families but we use condoc and general note tags that can not be added in families. TIA for any help! 
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a bit wordy and I got a bit confused but I think I understand what you are trying to do. You shouldn't have to copy/paste any of these items at all. I think part of the problem is that you cannot duplicate some of those keynotes and things.I began a new drafting view. Drew a wall type and grouped it. Made another type and grouped that also. These are now added to Groups, Detail in the file tree. If a particular wall type isn't used then it can be deleted from the drafting view but still remain in the project.I made my callout and drew the detail in that view. Grouped this also and it is in the tree. If the callout gets erased, it is still in the project and the detail can be dragged onto a new callout.Created a sheet view, pulled the drafting views and detail here. When you have all of your items drawn and grouped, add them to your corporate template. Hope this helps.
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Yes, I know that was a bit long and wordy and confusing, I'm sure. I tried to explain it as logically as possible. While the answer doesn't help with the duplicate types issue I have this does give me more ideas as to how to work with this. Thanks.
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Ya, I am not sure why you are having the duplicate types issue either. If you have a really stripped down version of what you are working on, I wouldn't mind messing with it. Kinda slow workday for me.
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Give me a chance to clean it up some and I'll get it to you. I've got to go to lunch first. I think it is the leaders, the condoc and general note tags and something else that is generating the duplicate types error message.
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Maybe this will help to understand what I am trying to acheive first. We have the A041 Partition Types Sheet and we have 4 sheets of all the typical partition types we generally use grouped by either stud partitions, CMU or concrete. When we put the A041 sheet together we use the partition types sheets to pick and choose which we need. In Autocad we copy and past each particular partition type into the A041 sheet to compile that sheet. Up until this point they have been creating the partition type sheets in ACAD to use in revit, not recreating the partitiont types in revit. In the one project I worked on I imported the ACAD partition types sheets from which I needed partition types and recreated the 13 types we were using on that project individually as drafting views which I then dragged and dropped into the A041 sheet to create that sheet. I have now been tasked recreating the Autocad Partition Types master sheets in Revit. I thought, like in Autocad, you'd be able to just copy and paste from on project drafting view to another projects but it does not work that way. You can't even copy and paste from drafting view to drafting view in the same project. So my plan is to recreate all four partition type master sheets in one Revit project template, that template could be brought into the project and the individual partition types drafting views could be created by duplicating the view and eliminating all but the one partition type and renaming it accordingly. As far as grouping the individual partition types. I experimented with this. If I group one and delete it from the drafting view, I see that it is still in the Groups in the project browser but it does not allow me to put that group back in the drafting view from which it was deleted or into a new drafting view. And I can't put a group in a sheet directly.
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AND the reason I am putting all the partition type master sheets into one drafting view in Revit is because of the duplicate types thing. If I make each partition type a seperated drafting view, which would be ideal because then you could just bring in the drafting views you need, as I said it appends a number to types of the same name. So IE: if I have 15 partition types, I will have General Note Tag, General Note Tag1, General Note Tag2 ect... If I have a huge job with 40 partition types.. well you get the gist...it would be a mess. SO my plan, till I can figure out a better way, is to create this one master sheet. It would create duplicates only once. I would instruct the other users to do a 'select all instances' to change the type of each duplicated type to the non-dup and delete the duplicate name. It is a round about fix for now but until I get a better way to do this it seems to the only reasonable way. I will send you the file if you want to try to mess around with it. Do I attach it here?
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I must be missing something here. Maybe I don't know enough to answer your question. I can draft up some general sections (all linework tools), annotate them (all general text) and cut/paste them from drafting view to drafting view (even callouts) or project to project without a any duplication. The only way I can come close to what you show in your annotation tree is if I load a multi-category tag and copy that around. Sorry, guess I wasn't too much help afterall.
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And I don't know enough about Revit just yet to explain this properly I don't think. I believe the Condoc and General note tags were created specifically for our own offices purposes. I need to find out more about that when the cad mgr gets in. I can copy and paste between Details but not between drafting views. A detail is created by using a callout or section tag. A drafting view is created by going to View tab on the design bar and choosing Drafting View. You then use the Drafting tab to create your content. Thanks for you ideas though, I thought the grouping will help some.
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Any time I try to copy anything from one drafting view to another I get this message.
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OK color me dumbass! It seems my problem with the duplicate types had to do with using custom created tags and not started with our standard company template. I chose to not use a template to start with so as to not bring in other content that our template would bring in, but when I was having other problems I decided to try bringing the view into a project started by the template, deleting all but the drafting view and then importing the view. WAHLAH.. as the say in the deep south... no problem with duplicate types. Carrion.. as you were... nothing to see here.
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I know it took a little bit but I am glad to hear you got things figured out. Congrats!
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And I figured out another thing as well! That "Cannot paste view-specific elements from different views." error was due to dimensions! It seems I can copy/paste just about everything but there are a couple things that won't copy. I know dimensions are one item that won't copy, but there is something else too and I have figured out what it is. I'll let you know when I find out. But regardless, that wouldn't have helped, I still needed to have the partition types complete. This is working out quite well.
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And I figured out another thing as well!
That "Cannot paste view-specific elements from different views." error was due to dimensions!
It seems I can copy/paste just about everything but there are a couple things that won't copy. I know dimensions are one item that won't copy, but there is something else too and I have figured out what it is.
I'll let you know when I find out.
But regardless, that wouldn't have helped, I still needed to have the partition types complete. This is working out quite well.
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Found a way around this... believe it or not, this is still an issue in Revit 2014.
We had some huge detail groups that didn't want to copy from another Drafting View to anothe Drafting View. Apparently there is no way around this BUT you can create the huge group beforehand and Duplicate with Detailing and create a duplicate of the entire view. Now you can go on and mirror this group and apply transformations, changes will propagate correctly between the two.
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