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Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 3:36:06 PM | Dependent View Question.

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Apparently you cannot change the scale of a dependent view copy of the original view.  It would be nice if the dependency worked only one way and allowed the changing or adding of stuff to the dependent view without it changing the original.

I was hoping that I could "blow up" plan views, retain all of the detail from the original, and add stuff to it while maintaining the automatic updating if the original view changed.  Does anyone have a good way to do this?


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Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 8:01:10 PM | Dependent View Question.

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what version you using?

In 2008 you can 'duplicate view with detailing', then change scale and everything adjusts!


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Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 9:13:19 PM | Revit 2008

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I don't want everything to adjust.  I want the main floor plan to stay 1/8" and the dependent views to "blow up" parts of the plan for greater detail at 1/4" or larger scale.

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Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 9:54:00 PM | Dependent View Question.

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your parent view and the dependent view have to be the same scale, they cannot be different.

Why don't you just add a callout to the area you want at 1/4"

 


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Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 2:55:01 PM | Know about callouts, but....................

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....................they are not nearly as powerful as I would like.  I use detail lines on my floor plan to indicate cabinets, kitchen equipment, and other details.  These are lost in callout plans.  They all come through on dependent duplicate plans.  I would just like to be able to add notes, more dimensions, elevation marks, etc. to a larger scale plan that will "update" if either it or if the original plan is changed.  I can have a different scale on my reflected ceiling plans, why not on "dependent duplicates?"

 


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Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 4:54:21 PM | Dependent View Question.

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It is my understanding that Duplicate Dependency was added so that you could have dependent views that maintain ALL properties of the original...specifically so that their scale would change when you change the other and the annotation carries through the two (or more) views. Before them, you could already make independent views with callouts (as ebtaylor mentioned), which is what you are describing sounds like. If something is supposed to show up in all views, it shouldn't be annotation in the first place. We draw things like your cabinets, kitchen equipment, etc. with model lines (or solids or a family version of either/both/symbolic lines/etc.) so that their visibility isn't view exclusive. I think I might be approaching your question this way because I'm selfish. If what I want in my project is a dependent view, I don't want other people being able to override those dependencies with "powerful features"...accidentally or otherwise.


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Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 5:09:44 PM | Dependent View Question.

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see attached on detail lines. detail lines are similar to annotation, they are only view specific.

 


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Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 5:11:09 PM | Dependent View Question.

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about detail lines

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:03:31 PM | Dependent View Question.

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I found a solution to this problem. I need to print small portions of our floor plans on 8.5 x 11 sheets for addendum. I usually do this at 50% Cryinghalf size) to save space on printing addendum. I duplicate the view as a dependent, adjust the crop, and drop it on a "special" 8.5 x 11 title block. The trick is, I double the size of my 8.5 x 11 title block to 17 x 22 and print them at 50%. This gives me 4 times the space per addendum page and I maintain the dependency on the original view.

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:21:19 PM | Dependent View Question.

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Check out my first post in this thread: >> http://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=20858

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:30:15 PM | Dependent View Question.

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WWHub,

How does this address the scale problem?


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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:38:24 PM | Dependent View Question.

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I don't have any problems with issuing sheets appropriate to what I am showing but I try to place them on the smallest sheet I can.  The overlay sheet I use most times for this is 8.5 x 11 and is the cropped area of the addendum.  I don't like printing addendum sheets at any other scale than the original.  I also have an 11x17 overlay sheet for larger areas.  If it is bigger than that, then maybe that sheet needs to be full size.

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:50:10 PM | Dependent View Question.

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Understood. We typically work with half-size sets, both in the office and in the field. When I reduce a drawing 50% to fit on 8.5 x 11 it is the same size that is typically being used by everybody. That said, the full size sheet reflects the same revision and is later issued as part of "construction set" documents.

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:37:39 PM | Dependent View Question.

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Not sure how you reduce a view by 50% in revit to fit on a 8.5x11.  In CAD you can do that but not in REVIT.  Perhaps you are using 17x22 sheets and printing at 50%????  Or are you printing a view at 50% then placing on a sheet somehow else?

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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:11:52 AM | Dependent View Question.

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Right. I'm placing the view on a title block that is 17 x 22. Then publish to pdf with print settings that scale it 50% to fit on 8.5 x 11. This way, I can get 4 times the info on an 8.5 x 11 in a legible 50% format. Our contractor actually requested that we issue all addendum drawings on 8.5 x 11 so this helps us to condense it quite a bit.

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