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Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 11:46:27 PM | Teaching revit

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Hi,

I am trying to convice my colleagues at the school I am teaching now to introduce Revit to the program. This is a very big school in the midwest and so the school has a campus license already. I told my colleagues several times to install the program to our labs so students can at least use it. But then, they say AutoCAD is an industry standard and we do not want to let students use too many programs. 

Again, I talked about it today and they told me to get some statistics that Revit is used more in the industry than AutoCAD. I know AutoCAD is used more out there and do not know how to pursuade them. Personally, I want to teach Revit, but not even getting close to it. 

Any good idea or numbers or facts I can use? 

 

 

 


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Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 3:52:49 AM | Teaching revit

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Maybe you want to refer to this article in the forum to back up your arguement. 

2007-05-09

Revit Seats Grow by 100% Over Past Year, Autodesk Reports


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Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 4:53:15 AM | Teaching revit

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High Schools and Colleges all across the contry are starting introduce Revit. Your colleagues should have no problems finding info. Revit will probably never surpass straight Autocad in the market place because it is for deciplines. But when it comes to the AEC market, who knows?


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Wed, Oct 3, 2007 at 1:26:35 AM | Teaching revit

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This was written last year by Paul Seletsky, Associate AIA, the Director of Digital Design for Skidmore Owings and Merrill’s New York office. It was published in the AECbytes.com newsletter.

Questioning the Role of BIM in Architectural Education: A Counter-Viewpoint

Take a look at the AIA job banks and engineering placement agencies; we can't find enough arehictects and engineers that know Revit to fill the waiting jobs for this BIM process.

Our Autodesk spokesperson in Chicago, an AIA architect, has shared with us that more than 60 high schools in Chicago have already created programs specific to building design using Revit.

BIM Goes to School (PDF) Download

Autodesk Launches Academic Certification Program to Help Prepare the Next Generation of Professionals this is a press release by Daratech (statistics crunchers) 9/2007

Autodesk Helps Bridge Gap Between Education and Industry press release from ThomasNet-Industrial Newsroom on connecting Nebraska schools to current and local industry required software.

  1-2-3 Revit: BIM Goes to School By Bill Rundell, AIA. While this is a 2005 article, at that time more than 80 colleges and universities were using Revit for their architect and engineering programs.

Many of these links came from the first 2 pages of Google...I imagine a few more minutes on Yahoo and you would have more, overwhelming, compelling market driven research to share with your colleagues.

Just in case, let's leave them with a popular YouTube video Crying10 million+ views) that my wife brought back from her Administrator's conference at the Tech College. It statistically challenges our ability to compete for jobs between our US students and the rest of the world. It's about 6 minutes long...

Go for It!

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Wed, Oct 3, 2007 at 2:21:42 PM | Teaching revit

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Here in Malaysia, we have a similar introduction of Revit at Colleges and Universities back in 2005. Maybe the students are not as smart as those in US. I learnt the feedback from the institutions have not been very good. Students have found Revit too difficult to use for their projects. Revit is just too rigid to use and lack the flexibilty in allowing expression of ideas in free from. And it required great understanding of construction knowledge. I am sure most of us has struggled to use Revit in the beginning. However, after many years of experienced in the construction industry has certainly help in learning Revit. This the student lack. Yes, they lack the understaking on how building parts are put together. This is even made worst as the instructors too lack construction experiences. We also lack good knowledable instructor. So I would not be surprised they have abandoned the idea of teaching Revit to college student. From what I know, SketchUp is very popular with the students here.

Maybe some of you with some experinces teaching students in US could share with us how it goes with the program.

Or the student themselves share with us what they think about learning Revit at this stage. 



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Wed, Oct 3, 2007 at 4:56:16 PM | Teaching revit

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I've taught part-time, I was a Wisconsin Certified Instructor for 12 years, 19 semesters of 3D software Modeling/BIM programs for manufacturing and building design...each of my students left with a custom (printed and digital) portfolio that represented their talents and project design work they completed in my classes. Not just printouts of canned exercises from a book.

Below is a document that more design schools need to review. Today's design practice is a digital design practice. So let's make sure that when students pay for and graduate with their BS in Engineering or MS in Architecture, they are well prepared and employable for their immediate roles in the "real design practice world".

From an Educational Perspective: BIM in the Architectural Curriculum(PDF)David R. Scheer, AIA, Associate Professor and DirectorCenter for Integrated Design and ConstructionUniversity of Utah College of Architecture + Planning

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As Building Information Modeling becomes the new standard for the AEC industry, the training of young professionals to work in this environment becomes a critical issue. Certain tendencies in current architectural education are clearly unsuited to BIM, whose value lies in its capacity to facilitate collaboration and accumulate information throughout the entire building lifecycle. An entirely new approach to architectural education is needed. This process has begun at the University of Utah's College of Architecture and Planning.
Curriculum changes are being tried, ranging from rethinking the design studio to the addition of new courses specifically addressing BIM. Greater involvement by industry in architectural education is needed to bring the collaboration-building aspects of BIM into the classroom and studio. Read on...

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In 2007, I've taught Revit to two college professors from two separate architectural universities. They flew hundreds of miles to Chicago. Why?

Before they started implementing and integrating a BIM process-based methodology into their program for Architecture, they wanted to see what was really happening in the architectural-engineering trenches.

Thus improving their professional credibility as a professor, their university's competitive-educational image and the value of their students' degree and employability.

Thank goodness the Colleges of Medicine don't subscribe to a philosophy of letting medical students "figure out" how to use the latest digital medical equipment and processes...

Some of our design schools (as you indicated in your area of the world) also install the software and leave it  to the student to "figure it out"...how dangerous is that?

Or they leave it to the professor/TA to figure out....feeling, they're an instructor, why should they take classes to learn the proper use of the digital design tool.

Eventually the learning and financial costs fall back on the student (now employee) and the respective design firm that has hired him or her.

The news is getting better as students are finding a degree from institutions that is truly relative to the reality of their program.

Here's something from AECCafe Autodesk Presents Revit BIM Experience Award to New Jersey Institute of Technology for Creation of Fully Digital Approach to Architectural Education

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Wed, Oct 3, 2007 at 6:30:35 PM | Teaching revit

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I am only a little shocked by how out-of-touch your colleagues are. I'm not far enough removed from school to have very high expectations of academia.

Everybody knows that AutoCAD is currently the industry standand. Everybody also knows that things change. The industry evolves and adapts to new technologies, which is why we don't draw our CDs in the dirt with sticks (usually). Whether it is fully integrated into the curriculum or even just an elective, you are doing your students a disservice by not taking the opportunity to teach them the future of the industry instead of the past. How's this from a quote during a panel discussion on BIM:

 "If you want to survive, you're going to change; if you don't, you're going to perish. It's as simple as that."- Thom Mayne

How many people in the consumer electronics industry are ignoring digital displays to become experts in CRT technology because existing CRTs out-number flat-screens? Wait much longer and your school will be churning out the youngest, little dinosaurs in the industry!


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