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Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 3:29:16 AM | Revit effort being threatened !!!

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I have been working to intergrate Revit in my current company for a year and it is going very well. Today the president of the company, who knows a little about everything but not alot about anything, comes back from a trade show. The Archicad rep did a real number on him and told him it will "run circles arougn Revit". Um...we'll see about that! He also told him that SOM started the Freedom Tower in Revit, but found that the software couldn't handle it so they switched to ArchiCAD and it is going great. I can find nothing to support this anywhere, not even on ArchiCAD's website. But all the articles on it done in Revit are from this summer, so it could have happened since then. Does anyone know the truth?

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Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 4:09:41 AM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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It isn't much but try checking this website out. http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=2423607 http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8296&goto=nextoldest Personally I would not give ARCHICAD the time of day, REVIT is by far more superior. I've been using it since version 4.5 closing in to 4 years now. It's posibilities are only limited to the skillfulness of the operator. Trust me I have push REVIT hard and far. Sorry to hear your current possition. I don't think the president of your company will jump into conclusions just based on one person's opinion. If you like to talk more my email is dtssia@gmail.com good luck.

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Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 4:17:02 AM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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For speed and ease of use revit wins hands down in my books... And i've used both programs. I beleive the Archicad rep is being a little misleading there! From my understanding the Freedom Tower was documented fully in revit for ease of coordination between consultants etc... The problem that then arose was to do with energy analysis, as currently no programs can utilise an rvt file and the dwg export is limiting... The building is being re-modelled in archicad for energy analysis purposes only as there are programs that can extract and calculate energy studies straight out of archicad... Anyone who know's better feel free to correct me, but i understand this to be the case.

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Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 7:02:57 AM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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I thought revit can export gbxml files for energy analysis?! What was missing from there?? Interesting topics look into it as till today I am yet to successfully export gbxml to do energy analysis..

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Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 5:59:37 AM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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Now this is some very interesting information. Where can I find some documentation on this? Houston we have a problem. Post edited on 2005-01-30 00:08:01

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Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 11:59:17 AM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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Some Googling on this subject gave me those links: About Revit and energy analysis and Freedom Tower http://www.dezignare.com/whatshot/2004june/16.WTC.html http://aec.cadalyst.com/aec/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=141032&sk=&date=&pageID=3 http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=378231 http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4260668 http://aec.cadalyst.com/aec/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=99859 About ArchiCad and the same theme: http://www.parch.com/?page=newsletters.php4&page2=news/news082.html http://www.graphisoft.com/company/press_zone/greenbuilding.html http://www.aecbytes.com/review/ArchiCAD9.htm About gbXML: http://revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=582 http://revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=520 And just a tips - there is something called Google Scholar you also can use for searching on eg gbxml. This is the address: http://scholar.google.com/ About Freedom Tower and the story behind it: http://revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=557 Architecture is human thinking and feeling. Not just energy analysis: http://chronicle.com/free/v50/i30/30b01601.htm What kind of analysis to do? What kind of feelings to have? Sit down and meditate twentyone minutes and you - your I -can find it out for itself.?!., That is the really freedom tower - your I....

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Sun, Jan 30, 2005 at 9:12:39 PM | RE: Revit effort being threatened !!!

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A member of SOM's Freedom Tower team said this recently:


Revit's translation to gbXML currently has some limitations. For example, it does not calculate volumetric spaces. Simply translated, if you have a space with canted walls, as Freedom Tower does, it will only calculate a vertical space defined by a room perimeter line. This is one of the challenges in dealing with things like area calculation in Revit on FT. This would even be tough to do in Autocad - where do you take the area of a room with canted walls?

In conversations with John Kennedy from Geopraxis, we've learned that Archicad is one of the only programs so far that can translate volumetric spaces into gbXML. I know that the Revit team is investing a great deal of faith in the gbXML schema, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a more robust coordination with it in the future. We're still exploring our workflows with several BIM tools such as ECOTECT, NavisWorks and e-Specs - so I'll keep everyone updated as best I can.

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