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Hello- This is the first time writing to the site, I have come here for knowledge in the past, but this is the first question I couldn't search and find the answer to. My Question: I have a casework family of base cabinets that I made out of extrudes and are parametric using Ref Planes. I am able to get the casework to change, height, width, and depth...however I tried to nest a door handle (your generic sweep with 2D guide and circle profile) and when I anchor the handle to the ref planes that I created for it...and I go to change the width of the casework piece the handle throws an error stating that the constraints are out of sync. (something to that effect) and do I want to remove the constraints or cancel. What am I doing wrong here? I have tried every option that I know of to get this to work... Thanks for your time. J.T.
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Before you loaded the casework handles, did the family Flex OK? Remember the Revit mantra for families which is FLEX-FLEX-FLEX. It is best practices to do all the reference planes, dimensions/labels prior to any geometry being added to the family. Then in the familiy editor change the family types to see how the logical constructs of the families reference planes behave. When it all behaves correctly then add the geometry. For now, remove the handles and see what happens when yuo flex the family. If you still get the same constraint errors, then yu know it is the logic applied to the reference planes causing the problem. If this step is error free, then it points to how you created the handle family. Did you use reference planes? Did yu set the proper insertion points? Trouble shoot and report the finding back so we can all learn the cause.
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Thanks for getting back to me Tom. The casework family flexes perfectly. I can make it go from 12"-48" widths, from 24"-48" high, and 24"-48" depth in any arrangement. It is when I introduce the handle that I have problems. I am wondering if I messed something up in the handle family. I attached the two families I am working with. One is the Cabinets with one door extruded out (This door doesn't need to move or anything). The second one is the handle I did a profile sweep to create. The handle needs to be placed 1-1/4" from the right OR the left of the casework door edge AND the top of the handle needs to be placed 2" below the top of the casework itself on the door. What I want it to do is when I flex the casework I want the handle to always move and be locked to those dimensions stated above. So the casework could be 12" wide and the handle is still 1-1/4" to the side and 2" below the top. Or if I wanted the casework to be 48" it keeps the same dimensions as stated before (I'm sure you get what I am saying, I am reiterating for the novices like myself). Thanks again, J.T.
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There were no reference planes in the base cabinet family to control the placement of the handle. I also changed the handle to be a 'face based' component then loaded it into the base cabinet. When placing the handle be sure to set your workplane to be the face of the cabinet.
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Sorry to post such a novice question but how would one go about changing a component to be a 'face based' component? Thanks again for your help. J.T.
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Open the family and go to 'Family Categories and Parameters" then check the 'faced based' box. If you start a new family that is going to be hosted by a face, then start with a face based family template.
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Thanks Tom, I really appreciate it...racking my brain so much it hurt today...thanks again! J.T.
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Just to add a little more info to this thread. You could also resolve this issue by making sure you constrain to the handles origin. That is locking the element by aliging the "defines origin" reference planes that define the placement of the handle when you insert it into project or another family. When you constrain things by their origin they don't have constrain errors. HTH.
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Is there any steps that you can take the time to walk me through? I came back to work today...and when I try to do anything I get errors about the constraints again! I just don't understand what I am doing that is any different from what you are doing... Thanks, J.T.
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OK, I am starting to understand now. However, Tom...the rework that you did for me...the handle doesn't move vertically...I have tried to anchor it to the plane that needs to move, but it doesn't...it only moves horizontally. Any ideas? J.T.
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Now I get it moving vertically but...it states that there is a problem horizontally now...
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Here it is fixed... Using your original family you posted. I went to front elevation, selected the bottom reference plane and set it to be reference bottom and named i bottom. By default its set to "not a reference" however this causes issues when trying to constrain nested families vertically. Refer to my blog for more info on this. Also changed the family category from structural framing to furniture... Not sure why it would be structural framing. Also added another reference plane to constrain the handle in the front/back plane. Its not generally good practice to constrain to the faces of other elements. HTH.
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Thanks Chris for taking your time to figure out my problem, I really appreciate it! J.T.
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Ok, bear with me as here comes an ignorant question. When you placed the plane in the front view instead of just locking to the face of the extrusion, how do you lock the handle to that plane? Or is that where changing it to furniture instead of structural comes into play?
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NVM, I figured it out...thanks again Chris and Tom...
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