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This masonry wall has a 4" vinyl base sweep at the floor. The wrapping is set at inserts to be "interior" and at ends to be "both" in the attached image. I have reset the insert wrapping to be "exterior" and achieved no improvement. I have modified the standard Revit door to make the wall opening at the outside of the door frame and have inserted a frame profile sweep to achieve a more correct door drawing in plan, elevation, and 3D. I have a neat entry to a typical classroom at a large daycare facility for handicapped children. I want to show a closeup view of the corridor door situation to my client's board and the wall base looks really stupid since it doesn't wrap around the corner at the door frame. Any suggestions on how to "fix" my problem? Preferably one that doesn't involve laborious pounding on tab until some shape handle appears and manually dragging the sweep end around the room. There are over 200 doors in my project and I would like to be able to show my clients ANY OF THEM without the building information model making the 3D view look stupid and I don't have time to manually fix them all. Does Revit have a neat fix for this problem?
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I guess there is not a solution.
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I don't believe you can set wall sweeps to return at openings like you can wall components. I would add the base to my door family and be done with it.
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Your asking way to much. REVIT will do it - if you want to use something other than wall sweeps. Wall sweeps don't return at openings because they don't see the return as a wall and really - that may be something you don't want. Sweeps are great because they are adjustable along their length. If you want to take the time, then redefine your wall as a stacked wall with the vinyl being a component outside of your brick and set it to return at openings. Of course, when you do that, you'll loose the ability to independently adjust the base along the bottom of your wall. REVIT will do it if you want to.
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The interior or exterior wall finish can be instructed to wrap at inserts, ends, etc. It is applied to the surface of the assembled wall family on one side or the other and deals with ends or penetrations as being part of the wall surface. Why can't the sweep do the same? My suspicion is that it probably can but fixing it doesn't have enough sales flash, it's not a sexy feature that will help sell Revit, so it gets shoved back to low priority status and never gets done. It appears to be just another instance of Revit's focus being on the 3D, Bimmy, end of the process and NOT on the making it work efficiently on the completion end of the process. Another peave of mind are the door families that come with Revit. As far as I can tell, they have not changed since I started using Revit almost 4 years ago. The openings are cut at the door outline, not at the frame outline. That means that sweeps lap over the face of the frames covering them up in elevation, 3D, etc. views. If you don't have any sweeps, the stupid trim lies over the surface of the wall so it gets by in elevation but in the 3D view, you see the wall material showing where the jamb should be behind the trim that appears to be glued to the wall. It is a family setup that doesn't work in residential, drywall, masonry, or any other construction system that I know of. It is not hard for me to move the door family opening out to the outline of the frame and install a jamb solid sweep to cover up the wall that has wrapped at the opening like I wished the applied wall sweeps did. It would also not be hard for Revit to fix this crude door portrayal as well but it doesn't appear to be important enough to them to bother. Sorry about the rant. I just get frustrated when Revit can do some magical things and then turn around and leave me with other stupid and crude solutions. I want it all to be magical and many times it doesn't look like it should be that hard for the software developers to fix. JMVHO.
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This might be obvious but can't you pick the sweep, click on "change sweep returns", click "return" and change it to "90". Then you can drag it back to the door opening? I just tried it, works fine. Keep in mind the easiest way to adjust the sweeps is in the 3d view.
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.................I have 200 doors in the project. One of the neatest aspects of Revit is being able to do a projected laptop live presentation with a client (more importantly a prospective client) using "shading with edges" 3D views. There is enough color to give them a realistic feel for the project without the "too much detail" that makes it look wierd unless all the details are perfect. I particularly like the exterior 3D views with the roof, ceilings, light fixtures, etc. turned off. They can see the layout, furniture, DOORS, etc. I just want to be able to zoom in on any door and not have it look like we don't know how to do something simple like make the base wrap the end of the wall at the door. I can manually fix any door/base/sweep problem, I just don't think that laborious process should be necessary. The wall surface wraps at ends and inserts. Why shouldn't the sweep which is attached to that surface wrap also? It seems to be the same process! That's why I suspect it is that they don't care", not "it is not possible." JMVHO.
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Sorry, didn't see the quantity of doors. I would add the base profile sweep to the door family with a return to make it complete the look. The same way you would add trim to a door family. If you want to get fancy you could create a wall based family that has the sweep profile, import it to the door family adjust constraints and then update your model. Then if you need to you can keep adding different sweeps to the door family for the different base styles. I just tried it and it works fine.
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