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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 12:19:15 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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I am trying to create a counter top that has angled sides to it in plan.  I realize that i can create one using a solid extrusion, but i was hoping that there was a way to create one using a standard family instead.  Using solid extrusions to create everything seems like a time consuming and frustrating way to do things.  It is not intuitive.


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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:00:04 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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I use the roof command with a 1 1/2" thick structure which i render as granite. Sink cutouts are a snap, set the height off the floor. Others prefer the floor command but color fills conflict.

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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:07:07 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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Thanks.  That's pretty much what i thought....you have to do some sort of odd command or work in order to get what you want.  just more evidence that the program isn't there yet.


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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:26:52 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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No, It just means you need to learn how to use the tools.  You could create a counter top family that does what you need it to do that you can use over and over again.  You could create an in-place family for a "custom" counter top.  You shouldn't be modeling everything with extrusions, you should be using families.  But you are gonna have to create some of them yourself.

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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:32:04 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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That is my point though.  I shouldn't HAVE to create a family for everything.

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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:44:11 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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If its something you use over and over, then it needs to be a family.  A little up front time saves you tons of time later.  If its something you use once, then model it in the project using "In Place Families' which are really a set of modeled elements.

 I'm not sure how you expect to use a Building Information Modeling program, and not *model* things.  You really have 5 choices:

  • Use the Families that come with Revit if they meet your needs.
  • Modify a family that comes with Revit to meet your needs.
  • Model it with solids and/or voids as an in-place family.
  • Model it as a new Family to use over again.
  • Draft it using 2D lines.

Do you have an example of this counter top you need to make?  Thats choice number 6:  post an example and see if anyone else is willing to make it for you.  But I highly suggest you learn how to make families...it's really not that tough.


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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 1:44:19 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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I recently created a series of countertop families.  I have used them in several projects and learned and grown from their use.

As noted earlier... floors, roofs..etc... just move up to better family editing and create or upload a good working countertop and then improve it.

I created the family using a solid profile for the main surface and created the edges using different edge profile choices.  I also placed the cutout in the unit.  The family parameters were then added to control the sizes and the location of the cutout and the shape of the counter. 

Since granite counters usually have and edge detail that is deeper than the slab depth, the edge detail extends below the deck or cabinetry..  when placing the granite it is helpful to understand the cabinetry it is being placied upon.  Especially if you are intending to use "prefab" granite materials, where your sizes are predetermined.

We created 2 edge granite, 3 edges granite and 4 edges for an island.  If I need to do a custom island like one I did recently with curves and in/out conditions, then I take the 4 edge version and modify it as a custom slab for a job.

good luck... it helps to dream it, then draw, then build it.   I attached a recent copy of one of the families.



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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 3:53:13 PM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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thanks affdesco.

 scott, i understand the program, and how it works right now.  I'm just saying that i think in the future revit developpers could do a better job at aolving some of these things for us.  do you honestly think the program is perfect as is?


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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 5:13:50 PM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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thanks.  I think I ran with your countertop issue, not your thread issue.

Well... revit is not yet intuitive as you say.... probably never will be, but others have said... Revit seems to have a great bunch of programmers and idea people behind the scene..  Autodesk is spending the dough... I think,,, as always... I can't wait to see what comes out next in v10.

 


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Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 5:18:43 PM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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That's good to hear.  I'm sure it's growing pains too.  When everyone started using autocad, it wasn't perfect either.

 Hopefully they'll heed the information provided by the users and work in the right direction!


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Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 1:32:18 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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There are no perfect programs. You pick a program that best fits your needs. If it doesn't, then you find one that does. Revit certainly has some items that can be improved, but when you can make a roof slab work for your countertop in 15 seconds, I don't think it's that huge of a deal.

 

Maybe we should send a note to the developers to suggest renaming the roof slab to countertop slab.


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Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 1:59:56 AM | Custom Counter Top Profiles

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I was at a stage where a roof slab or a floor or whatever works made the project look good.. but...

we grow in this system too and sooner or later you will want the properties of the item to appear properly in schedules and / or specifications.  To this end .. it will always be of value to find a trick or method in the system that fits our needs.   when your needs grow, so to will your interest.... when your interest peaks you will refine the methods or learn new methods... and ... when the program hits our wall  we will scream for programmatic changes.  so far, revit programmers seem to be ahead of the game.


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