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Sat, Dec 9, 2006 at 11:10:59 AM | Where do you stop?

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The program does so much, but at times I find myself spending a half day with Revit to do things that in the ACAD or even hand-drawn days was a 30 minute 2d detail drawing of some aspect of a project. 

So the question is, Where do you stop messing with Revit and go 2d.  I'd like to know where others, in a practical sense, say "BASTA!!" Enough.  

So I'll start a kind of grey area category and see where this leads.

Site Work:  Revit based hardscape or 2d?  I've done it both ways. I've created modeling of exterior hardscape and I admit to enjoying the endorphin rush when you succeed in setting it on real topo, (like a winding path of steps down to a front door of a house) but its usually at a time and file size price. With more mundane site work, like, say, parking lot planter curbs, V-ditch behind site walls, curb and gutter and ADA curb ramps, 2d or 3d? 


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Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 9:46:56 PM | Where do you stop?

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I stop based on how useful the information is...

 

If its only going to be seen in 1 view its certainly not worth modelling...  If its going to be a co-ordination issue then it is worth modelling.

 

Exceptions of course occur when you are doing marketing/renderings, where areas of high detail may be relevant.

 

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Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 7:51:31 AM | Where do you stop?

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This is an ongoing argument in my firm.  I definitely agree that just because it can be modeled in Revit doesn't mean it should be modeled.  I also hear alot of "I don't know how to model this so I'm just going to do it in 2d", if you don't know how to model everything it is hard to choose which one is most efficient.  Our guidline now is that if it can be seen in more than one view it should probably be modeled.

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Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 9:13:43 AM | Where do you stop?

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I like the "If it can be seen in more than one view" rule.  That seems like a good rule of thumb.

 Related to this is another connundrum.  Migrate library details to REVIT or import from ACAD?  Notwithstanding the time involved, an all-Revit library of details would be preferable, but:

...on the plus side for ACAD details; frankly, ACAD is a much more robust 2d program to date and sometimes I get frustrated trying to grind out drafting in 2d in Revit.

...on the plus side for Revit details; importing ACAD isn't always a "WYSIWYG" experience, and, secondly, I can't see running an office using two different platforms for too long.  Heck, I can't find competent help that know even one of the two programs that well so far.

So, what's the consensus? ACAD detail library or Revit detail library?

 


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Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 3:21:23 PM | Where do you stop?

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I am of the opinion...."model what you can". My first projects in revit were filled with 2d fixes and lots of filled regions to accomodate the construction documents (and schedule). However as our experiences and learning increase we are modeling much more.

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Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 7:11:19 AM | Where do you stop?

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I too really like the "2 view" rule.  I hate drawing things twice and I know something will probably change at least once so that just compounds the work.  Because REVIT wall sections are so easy to modify to turn into a detail area, I want to do all that work in REVIT. 

Canned (legacy) details can be in AutoCAD but the longer I work at REVIT, the easier even that work becomes.  We are still ADT & REVIT so I don't know where we will end up.


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Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 9:56:49 AM | Where do you stop?

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I agree with the 2 view rule but you don't always know what you are going to be viewing untill you are in the CD's. I will always creat famlies 2d or 3d to reflect what I need. If it turns out I need to model it I can just update the family and reload. Modeling always seems to take a longer than 2d but next time it done. Take the time and make everything adjustable. It will pay off in the long run.

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