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Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 9:08:52 PM | ADT VERSUS REVIT

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I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LEARN REVIT FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, EVEN TAKING THE CLASSES. I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH IT. IS IT REALLY ANY BETTER THAN ARCHITECTUAL DESKTOP? I HAVE BEEN USING ADT FOR SEVERAL YEARS BUT I HAVEN'T USED THE FULL 3D CAPABILITY. I WANT TO KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST BE LEARNING HOW TO USE THE FULL CAPABILITY OF ADT OR IF I SHOULD CONTINUE TO LEARN REVIT. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF REVIT

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Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 11:01:16 PM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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It's difficult for someone used to ADT to switch over. To me, ADT is such a mammoth program that it's almost impossible to learn everything about it and how to use it effectively. Revit has such a simple interface. I know it doesn't seem to you to be user friendly, but it really is a much simpler program to use. Plus here in the US, not many people use it for some reason. I see quite a few people from Australia using it. If you stick with it, I'm sure you will eventually see that Revit is going to take over ADT (In my opinion at least)

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Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 3:22:42 AM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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I've never used ADT, however, alot of people I know are making the move to Revit. As for me, I've have had some extremely frustrating days to say the least after moving from Autocad, which I used for 8 years as well as Archicad. I guess Revit seems to be the way most firms are moving these days, and I'm relieved our's made the move. I have been using Revit for less than a year and have had some very unproductive days, (and no doubt will have more), mostly when it comes to the finer detailing. My advice would be, persist, eventually you'll get as good at revit as you are with ADT, and wonder what all the fuss was about.......... then some other "wizz bang" software package will be released, and we can do it all over again..... can't wait!!!!

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Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 4:58:54 PM | RE:used archicad

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[quote= goum - 2006-09-14 22:22:42] as well as Archicad. I guess Revit seems to be the way most firms are moving these days, and I'm relieved our's made the move.

interesting perspective. I consider detailing one of the most important phases in the process, was archicad more adept to completing the task? Did archicad have quirks and pecularities that made editing and coordinating details harder than necessry?

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Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 3:59:37 PM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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Everything depends of how you use CAD application. If it is for construction documentation than Autocad rules, but if it is for scales 1-50 or more than use Revit. If you want both by Revit series. Osnap in Revit is not detail production (2D) oriented but with walls and ojects Revit rocks. Maybe Adesk should offer two type of osnaps? Go for Revit, Im ADT user for 6 years (3d and 2d) and I dont have ADT in my office anymore because we purchased Reit Series (ACAD+REVIT). I used Archicad for 5 years in other office and I vote for Revit. This is not Autodesk propaganda, I think they should develop Revit as architectural tool faser and more agresive, im not fully satisfied with it especially for freeform modeling. Anyway go for R

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Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:31:21 PM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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Both ADT and Revit or MASSIVE programs. only about 7% of the ENTIRE ARCHITECTURAL POULATION uses Revit. In my company we use both, ADT and Revit, but only because our consultants are stuck in the prehistoric ages of AutoCAD. Revit will never completely take over ADT because AutoDesk is pushing so much into both programs, and AutoDesk has made it EXTREMELY CLEAR than neither program is going ANYWHERE! I've been using Revit for the past 2 years, and I have 1 year of AutoCAD/ADT under my belt. There are still many tweaks that need to be done to Revit to make it more efficient whereas you DONT have to use ADT; but on the other hand, Revit is a 3D BIM MASTERPIECE, with all the parameters included it makes production simpler, faster, and less frustrating.

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Sun, Oct 1, 2006 at 11:19:33 PM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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I agree, it is difficult for an ADT user to transition over to Revit. However, it is not impossible and if the change is made it will reward you with more time for golf (or what ever it is that you like to do when not architecting). Revit is more intutive but since it is so different than ADT it takes a bit of getting use to. Put ADT and then REVIT infront of a high school kid and ask them to start designing a house. Which do you think he will prefer? Yes, Revit. With Revit you can design all your details from within, or you can link the details to your ADT files. Its easy to do. I don't know Archicad but I would guess it is not nearly as mature a product as is Revit. My recommendation to you is to watch some more "saved" webex or web demos. You can find them on Autodesk.com. I like to go back and see the demos... sometimes 2-3 times. Still not getting it, call your dealer and ask if you can see another demo.

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Mon, Oct 9, 2006 at 3:34:38 AM | RE:

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Quoting BRIANDHADLEY - 2006-09-14 16:08:52

"I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LEARN REVIT FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, EVEN TAKING THE CLASSES. I AM VERY FRUSTRATED WITH IT. IS IT REALLY ANY BETTER THAN ARCHITECTUAL DESKTOP? I HAVE BEEN USING ADT FOR SEVERAL YEARS BUT I HAVEN'T USED THE FULL 3D CAPABILITY. I WANT TO KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST BE LEARNING HOW TO USE THE FULL CAPABILITY OF ADT OR IF I SHOULD CONTINUE TO LEARN REVIT. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF REVIT"





Revit is a step ahead in the direction drafting software is going for the future.
Softplan has a similar 3d modeling drafting setup. (learn it now or later, because its coming)
Ive used ADT, Softplan and now Revit
They all have some issues
1. Simple After knowing ADT and Revit I come to this conclusion

Without paying for classes to learn, Revit is kind difficult to pick up.
By trial and error you will learn your drawing system and how to fix querks
Let there be know doubts this is a new platform for autodesk
But the drawing freedom and ease of drawing are unmatched
Revit is what ADT intended for its software to become . (Real 3D) with real time elevations
There are problems but nothing ive seen that cant be fixed with a LW comand or a blank filled region lol.


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Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 6:08:51 AM | RE: ADT VERSUS REVIT

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You can try checking out all the REVIT Video tutorials at http://www.dgcad.com. There's plenty of free stuff to get you started.

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Tue, May 15, 2007 at 11:52:04 AM | ADT VERSUS REVIT

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We are moving from ADT to Revit. I had lots of problems in people to migrate from AutoCAD to ADT. Finally we ended up using project navigator / sheetset for 2d drawings. Revit change is just 2-3 months, I see warm response from many users. It is easy for them to accept Revit platform, started using 3d. It is long way for us, but definitely looks positive.


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Tue, May 15, 2007 at 4:44:07 PM | ADT VERSUS REVIT

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I have used quite a few architectural programs (AutoCAD, ADT, ArchT, Cadworks, and Revit).  We are currently beginning our transitition here from ADT to Revit.  This office has been on ADT for maybe 8 years.  Currently, I am the only one using/learning Revit.  I am of the opinion, it is better for one or two people to know the program somewhat well before converting everyone, as there will always be questions.  If everyone is at the same level to start, you will all be banging your head against the wall.  You need to learn to use the program for your office and its standards.

 That being said, Revit is a fantastic program, but it is not ADT.  The biggest concept to get your head around is that you are no longer DRAFTING.  Although ADT had modelling concepts, they were somewhat awkward to use and only the most gifted ADT users could really be productive using the tools in ADT (that is my opinion, anyway).  What you need to keep telling yourself with Revit is that you are constructing a building, not drafting it.  Once you start thinking like a builder, it all makes sense. 

One of the greatest benefits of revit is that there are many fewer commands.  In AutoCAD and ADT, you have to fill your mind with mass amounts of commands and sytem variables, where as Revit better organizes and makes accesible the functions you need. 

Revit does have its downsides, though; I find drafting details a bit more natural in ADT, there are times that I want to do something in Revit that I say to myself was much easier to do in ADT, and lastly, Revit is nite quite there for "pretty" architectural drawings.  By this, it is the small things that are missing like: dashed foundation wall lines below grade, objects in background having a lighter lineweight than the elements in the foreground, and a few other things.

A few examples of how Revit compensates for this are:1.  being quicker to create plans, sections, and elevations, 2. making revisions much easier (move a first floor wall, and the second floor wall knows to move as well), 3. the ability to make a change to one object (for example a window) and have all your drawings updated automatically (huge time savings), 4.  added benefit to clients of seeing a 3d model, 5. drawing sets  are  automatically correlated (no more chasing detail numbers and making sure they are referenced correctly everywhere), and 6. (my favorite), to some extent, Revit starts to understand architectural intent (I believe that's my phrase and I copyright it! lol).  For example, if you have a hallway and want a door centered in the hallway, you can tell revit that, and it knows to adjust the door if you ever move one of the walls.

In conclusion, stick with Revit.  i think it will fast become the standard in the industry, especially as more people can use the models (like tekla structures, green building analysis programs, etc).

Sorry for the long winded reply, hope it all made sense, and good luck.  If you have any other quesrtions, ask.

 

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Tue, May 15, 2007 at 6:48:06 PM | ADT VERSUS REVIT

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Liz, nice to see you are staying positive with REVIT learning curve. Once you get going you will neve look back.
Further to your mentioned frustrations with REVIT you can totally control object line weights and also create hidden footing lines.
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Tue, May 15, 2007 at 7:07:40 PM | ADT VERSUS REVIT

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Well, I've always pretty much been positive with Revit (in fact I'm the guy that convinced my boss to buy it), but thanks.   I  think it is a great prgram-and the clients LOVE it.

As for the foundations, how?  I know how to make the whole foundation dashed, but the lines above grade should be solid and below grade not.  The lineweight tool will only pick the entire line. 

 

PS sorry to hijack the thread like that. DG, you can answer this somewhere else if you want.


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