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Looking for some advice on a large project,The project is actually a hotel with all the guestrooms and amenity buildings spread out over all the site as different buildings (Total of 120 buildings).  I'm curious what else others might have to offer from their experience on similar projects.  Issues:

1. I don't think we'll want all the sheets to come out of the models as sheet management would be difficult and assembling the construction packages would then be very tedious.  We could link them into another file to produce sheets (Annotation file)?  
2. There are obviously redundancies in the guestroom types and all the housekeeping buildings, but we'll only want to model it once.  How would you guys handle the site plan - place different instances of the model in a linked model? Groups and all in one model?

There are a lot of variables for a project like this but I'm trying not to be too wordy, I can provide more information if needed. I'm struggling to wrap my head around the whole thing.  Any suggestions would be helpful!

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Do each building as a stand alone project complete with sheets and all annotations for that building, the site would be linked into that.  For full sit views, the site can have all buildings linked into it.

Guestrooms could be a group developed in one model. If you annotate all of the room data in a sheet per room, you may be able to use that across multiple building 'projects'.

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Hi WWHub,

Thanks for your input. To pick your brain a little more.  If I were to do each building as a stand alone project complete with sheets and all annotations for that building, how would you recommend managing sheets? I would end up with 10-30 sheets maybe from each model?

The downside with developing the guestrooms as groups is that I foresee the posiblility of some of them moving/rotating (I feel like it is inevitable with these types of projects)  I would be afraid one of our typical units that we're using to annotate might move, or that it might change to another type.  Once we would have all our annotations and views set up, this could take a lot of time to redo.  Do you think doing them as their seperate models would be a bad idea? We would end up with a lot of models... 

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Normal sheets for a project - why would it be anything less?.... You haven't said anything about buildings that might really be the same but opposite had or whatever... That might create some other possibilities.

A group moving or rotating in a project is no problem.  Each group instance is individually placed.

Don't put your annotation in the group.  I might put the room and room name in the group for ease of initial placement but I would remove these from the group in all instances after that.  Read some of the other posts about groups and hotel rooms.

You can pick any group instance and change it to a different group.   BUT you need to be very smart in how you create the groups so that the placement point is in the same place.   A good choice is the inside wall corner just off the entrance door butt.

If a group needs to become unique for a particular building, you can just pick that instance, rename it making it a new group, then edit it as needed.

If a group is edited, you can always copy that to your other buildings and change all instances to that group.

Do not do rooms as seperate models.... bad idea.  If you do want to use common room sheets, you could build a seperate model with 'fake' exterior / corridor and demizing walls and build your group inside that.  All annotations could be on sheets in this project which are shared with the other 'projects'.

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I estimate that I'll have 35ish or so unique buildings in all that will make up the projects 180 buildings in all.  About 80 are a standard room type and another 30 are another standard type.  There will be variations on these (ADA, Ones with Porches, Mirror).

I've had issues with moving/rotating groups when its the whole building because of all the hosted elements, and once we have all our views set up for a building its hard to get them all to move/rotate together if the building moves.  

Having each building type (35) be its own drawing set would be hard to manage and there would be a lot of unneccessary reduncies, (35 cover pages to track and update for instance).  Therefore we will probably want to compile the buildings into larger sets.  The question then is when should they get compiled -  in the same revit model? built in seperate revit models and linked together in an annotation/sheet file? or as pdfs compiled outside of revit?   

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You write: "....once we have all our views set up for a building its hard to get them all to move/rotate together if the building moves..."  <<< This is a process problem.   A building is a building and it doesn't care what way it faces.   If you model your building as a stand alone model, you can place it anywhere on a site at any orientation and move it as often as you want.  Do you understand?   Building(s) and site in different files and linked together as required.

Why would you move a group?  Delete and place a new one.   A group should be built so that all elements in it are fixed location in respect to the group's insertion point.   If something needs to change from that, you need a new group.

Mirrors are a problem with group elements so we NEVER mirror a group, we create a left hand and a right hand of same types of rooms.  You should be careful with the rotated placement of a group (same hand but opposite side of corrridor).  Once I successfully do the first, I then like to copy / paste all others.

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Hi

Just sharing my experience.

i have done a similar projectr, but very small.what i did is.

i use another revit file only to develop sheets, means just for annotation purpose. all projects i link to this anotation revit file with proper workset.

benefit i feel is : if we are asked to share model to others, we dont want to show our sheets. it worked well with me.

second, linking buildings to a master site revit file, if buildings are typical, then i used revit link and i copied the link. i got that idea from this youtube video (sorry it is long video about coordinates)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gc1-l5VK2U&list=LLQeBjjoCICo_KRXCfGsaoow&index=3&t=4130s

Please correct me if i am wrong, as i am new on big projects

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Great project. I also recently planned to develop a project to write an essay about hotels.

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this one is good

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nice

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Thanks for your input. To pick your brain a little more.  If I were to do each building as a stand alone project complete with sheets and all annotations for that building, how would you recommend managing sheets? I would end up with 10-30 sheets maybe from each model?

The downside with developing the guestrooms as groups is that I foresee the posiblility of some of them moving/rotating (I feel like it is 

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