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Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:32:30 PM | The resistance of Revit

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Hi.

Our office transitioned to revit about 4 years ago. When i came on board, i had already had several years experience. I've helped train these folks, set up templates, cutomize families, you name it. But STILL, all I hear is complaints. It is so frustrating. I'm an architect and can model anything, but I also have to produce construction documents, space plan, detail, check shop drawings, etc... It is so incrediably frustrating when you try and help people, and all you get are hateful comments in return and complaints of "i hate this, i hate revit does that...." "this is so dumb" "why do we have to have view templates?" "why do we have multiple line types" "i hate curtainwalls" "i don't want to use a project template" ... i've jumped through hoops to make things as easy and streamlined as possible, and still only get complaints. I'M TIRED OF IT! I've done the "Please send me your Revit wishlist of what would make your life easiest when starting a project." and "Please send me your wishlist for cutomization of families." I'm tired of pulling double duty of project architect AND BIM Specialist when all i get is lip after i've taken my time out to help people that are resistant to revit. 

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Maybe it's just something I should just ignore and go on about my business, but it is SO frustrating trying to help people that smart off and have such a bad attitude. 

Yes, we need a dedicated person to handle all this stuff, but our workload is so high, no one has time to deal with it. and now, our templates, library, families, are a mess becuase people have gone in there, tweaked stuff (badly), and saved over the "clean" template or family. 


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Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 7:59:47 PM | The resistance of Revit

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Welcome to the REVIT Jungle baby. I've been through it and currentlyso nice to be in company that are young eager, open minded people. Switch jobs is my persoan recommendation . . . 


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Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:09:09 PM | The resistance of Revit

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Wish i could. Not so easy. Hard out here for an Architect. 

Funny thing is, even the youngin's are resistant, at my office at least. It's very frustrating. I guess i don't understand. They all want to go back to AutoCAD and that's just DUMB. REVIT is NOT hard. Especially when you learn the tricks. I've done all I can for these folks. I'm just going to sit back, let them do their thing, and keep rocking and rolling on my own projects. Not the best approach, I know, but about the only way i'm going to be able to keep my sanity. of course, until i have to go in and work on their projects, then i just wanna pull my hair out. seriously. i get into drawings where they still spend more time drawing lines instead of placing 3D objects. and you KNOW how much design changes happen through the process. NIGHTMARE.

 

A jungle it is.

 


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Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:32:22 PM | The resistance of Revit

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I hear your frustration loud and clear. I hear their frustration loud and clear too. Sounds like a lots of negative vibes in your workplace. If they’re not working with you, they’re working against you. Perhaps, job security should be addressed at the next performance evaluations. At some point, the hand drafter had to learn AutoCAD, or look for another line of work.

 

Same goes for the leader; at some point he needs to lead effectively, or pass the role to someone who can. No offense. Could just be a vinegar and oil kind of thing.



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Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:27:46 PM | The resistance of Revit

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Same goes for the leader; at some point he needs to lead effectively, or pass the role to someone who can. No offense. Could just be a vinegar and oil kind of thing.

 

Lead effectively? Prob is folks that complain the most have been here a LONG time. They are WHINERS. It does not matter how or who leads them, they want to do it THEIR way or no way. Trust me. Been there, done that. And when i have tried to help, grab the bull by the horns and develope office standards and tried to create some sort of "leadership" in that area, i get smarta$$ lip cause they don't know how to do something. It can be a very negative environment and IMO, it's more about their attitudes than leadership, and because of thier senority, they get to get away with it. 

Honestly, i don't want that "leadership" position anymore. Anything i do for our revit office standards has to be done outside working hours. working hours are for project billable hours only. 

There are also a lot of egos at play here too with regards to the Revit transition. You know the type, "they" know it all, and if they don't, then YOU'RE the dumb one when you explain it / teach them, well, because... Revit is just sooooooooo dumb. 

So yes, i give up. I don't like the attitude. I've fought this fight for several years now. i give up. I guess my post is more of a "get it off my chest" kind of thing. Just tired of getting complaints because they don't like how revit does "so and so". 


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Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:32:20 AM | The resistance of Revit

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Gaff, from the outside looking in, it doesn’t sound like your firm has fully committed to BIM. Until they do, you’re going to be alone in your fight – maybe won by caving into the “whiners” – sorry to say. But, there is nothing inherently wrong with ACAD. What’s most important is the delivery of product in a profitable way. That’s what makes paychecks possible. But, even more important than higher profit margins, is having a happy and collaborative team. Good luck to you.


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Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:58:39 AM | The resistance of Revit

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Hi Gaff,

Been there, done that.

35 years ago, when the AutoCAD was first introduced into my office, I said that my hand drafting can out perform the CAD. After I went through the learning curves, I realized how good the AutoCAD was; in the same manner, 10 years ago, I learnd how good the Revit is, not perfect yet, however, much superb. Two years ago, moved into my current office. I did all you have done and now I am still the only one in the office able to use Revit fully and productively.

Here is the way I am doing now. Keep a copy of all templates and "good" families and details in my workstation, when I found something in the server went wrong, I just replace it. The good thing is the "damaged" ones only reside in their projects. I created a folder in the server to have tips for all my customized stuff with step by step instructions for people who are willing to learn, also those tips are reminders for myself. This way, I can concentrate on my own projects; yes, I did more than I should, however, I can move forward in full speed and be happy.

10 years from now, we will see the differences. I still remember when I got my current job, a good friend congratulated me, I replied "I was lucky"; he said "My friend, luck is made".

Good Luck.

 



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Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:03:03 PM | The resistance of Revit

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Thank you for the positive support.

I'm "somewhat" trying to do that now. Good idea to keep those "clean" working families and templates on your hardrive. I've done as you have mentioned with the files on the server, only to go back later and realize someone has been in there changing things and then they don't work correctly.... ping pong.... back and forth, fix, clean up, someone else messes up, i go back fix, cycle repeats.... I also like the idea of created docs with instructions to go along with the custom families and templates and project startup would be helpful. and, as you mentioned, then those that WANT to learn can have the opportunity to do so, and those that don't, well, that will then be there problem. 

I like that idea cause it puts me in a more neutral position. it's a "here folks, this is here, use it if you want, or don't". so that i don't have to deal with the attitude of those that resistant to using revit the correct way. it's then on THEM to read and learn. 

Maybe I'm just being a "girl", but i must admit, it's quite hurtful when you spend so much time trying to help improve your office productivity and increase the effeciancy of revit with project management to be then critizied and talked down to as if you're an idiot..... classic example that those that don't know choose to pass their lack of knowledge off as the "teacher" is dumb. when in fact, it's their own reluctance to learn that makes it hard for them to understand the methodologies. 

We will get there. Patience is what i need most right now! Smile


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Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:01:01 PM | The resistance of Revit

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We had our IT set permissions on our server to only allow myself and a backup to have permissions to write to our library folders.


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