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maxell

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Is there a way to set different cut patterns by view or scale for the same material?

I'm working on a project that firstly needs to be presented to a client and we have found that using solid colors for materials creates a clean presentation. Parallel to this, I'm working with the structural engineer, and I wish to create plans with more detailed patterns, but I do not wish to create a separate project for that, as the work with the client and structural engineer is simultaneous. 

I do not wish to use graphic overrides for the whole wall for example, since I need to indicate a few types of elements (structural part, insulation part, finish, etc.) within a wall. 

The problem is that with the client we are showing different structural materials with the same color (concrete foundation, blocks within a wall etc.), but for the engineer this obviously needs to be shown differently. 

Any ideas? 

I was thinking of using parts, as I could set different patterns for different parts. …but I’m afraid that the project file will get very cumbersome. I’ve found that using parts is not a good choice in early stages of a project. 

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Have you looked into filters?  I have seen this various times where the architect will have a view for presentation and a duplicated view for a working drawing set.  Filters can allow you to show exactly what you want to show by simply clicking and choosing.

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You do know that you can set a different fill for coarse views?  We use a solid fill for coarse.

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If we look at plans and only walls, my issue is that I wish two different patterns for wall parts/compounds/layers/materials, not two different patterns for the whole wall.

With a course view, I can set a different solid fill for the whole wall, not individual wall parts.

As I understand, same with filters. They address the wall as a whole, not individual wall parts.

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Filters will allow you to do this.  You can override materials for cut patterns or projection patterns.  I would suggest duplicating your views and having one for presentation and one for your consultants. Apply the same filter to both views and override your materials differently in both views to achieve the look you want. Unless I am not fully understanding your question this should work. Good luck!

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jlabbe,

The question was changed to be materials, not the whole wall.  If you have a way to do tghis with filters, I would like to see the process.

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jlabbe - it is exactly what i'm looking for. A filter for materials, but I'm not sure that it can be done. 

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Maxell,

I see what your saying now.  I had this exact question the other day and spent hours researching.  The closest I got was playing around with parameters. Project parameters assigned to a material in a wall.  Alas, it did not work and I had to find a work around which was different walls for every different material I wanted to show differently.  Let me know if you ever find how to do this!

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I know for a fact that it can be done with parts. But it is still very cumbersome to do so. And if you divide your geometry in parts, modifying the whole geometry afterwards gets problematic, constant errors and lines.

This could be a solution at the end of the project, when you need to do detailed cutouts. You can divide your geometry into parts and then assign different patterns for different parts. And the display of parts can be turned on and off, so you can toggle between the two views.

But be warned. The problem is - when you divide your geometry into parts, and then start modifying the parts individually, revit assigns “constraints” to them. But as soon as you start adjusting the geometry as a whole, revit has problems interpreting the old constraints with the new adjustments, hence constant errors.

But I’m no expert in parts. For me it seems as a great tool, if you need to add a layer of detail to a defined geometry, but not very flexible, if the geometry needs to be adjusted.  

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