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Our office is currently having a debate whether to use wall types or wall sweeps(not a part of the wall type) for wall finishes(tile) and baseboards.  I've typical used sweeps but I can see how using just a wall type can be more user friendly.  We were debating the pros and cons of each, but I'm wondering if you guys have any input and experience on the two different strategies. It may be that in some situations one is prefereable over the other.

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First question - do you need modeled quantities?   That would suggest it has to be modeled but NOT SO if you can just include it as part of the wall takeoff and not modeled.

The problem with the sweep within the wall is that it is the whole wall including where the wall may cross chases or other areas where it is not needed.  You also can't turn that off in floor plans.

The applied sweep is where you want it, can be turned off in plans and can be taken off in quantity.   However, it is a pain to do in every space.

We typically never model and only add as a detail element but we do not have to provide the level of BIM that requires it.

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Modeling baseboards, flashing, metal laths, battens…this is what BIM has brought us to. Any “old-timers” out there sometimes long for the good old CAD days? Well, I’m with you.  

If you’re going to model baseboards – KEEP THEM AS SEPARATE COMPONENTS. Less work in the long run. Even if you build them into your wall, you going to find yourself (and probably already have) making a duplicate of that wall without the baseboard to use at certain join conditions, transitions, etc. that Revit won’t make correctly, cleanly, or at all, with the baseboard on the wall. Then you’re going to be “splicing” in walls and baseboards at those locations.  Been there; done that. I can think of a dozen other good reasons relating to visibility and graphics, scheduling, phasing, workflow, etc., etc., etc., but I can’t think of one good reason to make baseboards as wall sweeps. Love to hear from those converts.

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We add the sweeps not because we need that level of BIM but to ensure that our clearances are compliant after all the finishes are applied.  I haven't been a part of a project where we needed the model quantities, however I can see the advantage if we did.  We are doing a bathroom with tile on the walls and we need to make sure the thickness is accounted for.  Our thinking was to handle it like a wall sweep.  The other option that was proposed was creating a new wall type for the tile.  That seems like it has its own drawbacks as well with visibility and scheduling.  However the individuals we have working on it are new to revit and the wall option was more user friendly.

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