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Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 3:26:10 PM | Missing detail lines in a detail item tag I created

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A client standard requires detail number, reference number, and sheet number in sections, details, and titles.

I added the reference sheet number parameter to the Revit native section and it works most of the time.

In one case, I've cut a section on a floor plan (Sheet # S120) and placed the section on sheet # S303.

When I place the same section (referenced section) on another floor plan (Sheet # S130) it reads the wrong sheet # because it's referencing S120 still. 

As a work around I followed this screencast, Dummy Callouts for referencing sheets in linked files.

I created a detail item (Section Tail Dummy - attached) with share parameters for detail number, reference number, and sheet number.

Then created a detail item tag section head (Section Head Dummy Tag - attached) with labels for all of these shared parameters.

When I load both into the project and place them, the detail lines inside the section head bubble don't show up. (Missing lines.pgn - attached)

I've already checked on:

  • visibility/graphics under the annotation categories and made sure detail item tags were checked
  • created a new line subcategory, thinking the project setting were overwriting the visibility of the original line somehow. 
  • Made sure the label leader/border offset mask wasn't blocking the line

Do any of you have any ideas why these lines are invisible? Thank you!

 



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Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:39:47 PM | Missing detail lines in a detail item tag I created

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I don't have an answer but I have a question.  What do you do with the view title?  How can it show all of the sheets/views where the view is called out on?

 

I personally would try to convince my client that having the sheet called out from in the callout head is redundant since you already know what sheet you are on.  Letting it show the initial callout location in all other views where it is used would seem to be valuable.   I hate the "because we do it that way" reason.  The callout from for multiple callout locations in the view title is also a nice feature but there is no way to automate that and it becomes a DUMB CAD solution that is prone to errors.... and I really hate DUMB CAD!


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Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:41:45 PM | Missing detail lines in a detail item tag I created

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I do have a solution.... Don't use the detail.  Use a head that doesn't include the sheet from value and just add that as text. << DUMB CAD which I hate and will not use.


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Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:17:46 PM | Missing detail lines in a detail item tag I created

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Personally, I don't like referencing back and forth at all. It's a lot of work to keep up with when you have about 100 sheets and I'm almost guaranteed to make mistakes. One Engineer told me that the flow of info is intended to go from plan (general) to detail (specific) because we think in broad terms then try to understand the details. Communicating back and forth can cause mistakes and misinterpretation. But if we have the ability to show it both ways, I can understand why the client wants it. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to change anyone's mind. I don't speak to the client and I hear the client is pretty strict on their standards and I'm not the Revit coordinator.

 

What do you do with the view title? 

I added the reference sheet parameter to the titles too but it only references the first sheet that the section is cut on in the order of the sheets in the project browser. I found this article that explains how Revit interprets what the reference sheet is: Referencing Sheet and View Issues

 

How can it show all of the sheets/views where the view is called out on?

Our plan is to wait until the very end and add the rest of the referenced sheets under the original referenced sheet in the tiitle with dumb text. It hurts my soul too but I don't know what else to do. 

 

I completely agree with you though. I hate the "because we do it that way" reason also. We can do better than that. 

And once I started using Revit I never looked back to dumb cad. Hahaha.

 

I thought of another solution but I don't like it. I call it the fake sheet technique.

I used real drawing # to make it a little easier to explain. For this example section A4/S303 CUT ON S130.

- Create fake sheet 

- with duplicate sheet number "S303" 

- with blank character

- Change Sheet Discipline to "Ref" to keep it organized

- Create new section 

- Change view name to "A4/S303 CUT ON S130"

- Change view purpose to "S130 REF" (Cut on sheet number) to keep it organized

- Place new section on new fake sheet

- Change detail number to match original cut

 

That's a pretty ugly work around but it would work! Haha.


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Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 5:22:05 PM | Missing detail lines in a detail item tag I created

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I guess instead of doing all this, dumb text over top of the wrong reference and then pinning them is the best solution for now. Thanks


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