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I'm seeing some strange behavior regarding the visibility of a linked structural model in certain views. On one sheet I have two plan sections: plan views created via sections that have been rotated 90 degrees. They both have the same view template applied to them, the same section type, and similar extents. However, the linked structural model is not visible in one of the views. Stranger still, the invisible model can be selected with a crossing region! If the view that is working is copied and moved up into the location where the other wasn't working, it fails again. I also tried going to a working view and then creating an enlarged plan, but again still not visible! Even stranger, it shows up fine in a construction plan and likewise with a an enlarged plan from that plan. I've tried checking the dependency of the view leading to where the section is created: elevation (structural model on), enlarged elevation (on), but section, invisible! Finally, I've checked whether the section was orthogonal to the elements in the view and they are. I'm stumped. Another strange behavior I saw as playing with the view template and ensuring that the structure appears as fine in the detail level, and when it's applied, the link becomes visible, but when the mouse moves it disappears again. This is true on two machines. What am I missing?!! Short of auditing and relinking the model I don't understand why it's being a flake? Please help if you have any ideas! Thanks!
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What version of revit do you use? Investigate this: some structural objects have natively inbuilt different visualizations settings due to the way engineers work. We have used some structural elements directly in the architectural model, and we had to unselect some engineer setting in the propoerties of that object to see it as a regular 3D plan. I hope it helps.
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I'm using 2015. Do you recall which settings you had to manage in the structural model?
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Not all view templates are alike. Remember, view templates can be set to control some categories but they don't have to control them all. So just because the two views have the same template might not mean much.
Look at your view settings again. Is it a structural view/architectural/coordination? Check all the settings.
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I'm not following you there. How can one view template contain different settings from itself? I get if you apply one to section and one to a plan, but in this case the views are the same. What other settings can I use? Unless it's relative to the structural model itself like archigrafix mentioned. I've tested recreating both conditions and I still get the same anomaly. This makes me lean toward the problem being the latter.
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Edit a view template.... There is a check box to turn on/off what is controlled by that template like scale/detail level / vg model etc including discipline. CHECK THOSE.
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I did already...these are set in the template and in my case control everything. In other words all boxes checked.There are no discrepancies between the settings in the view, the template, you name it. Is this possibly a structural model issue? If so what are the settings to look out for? Still stumped on this.
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Sorry - but I'm at a loss. Something missing in our communication or there is a file error. Did you create a new view like the one that is wrong? DON'T COPY! Create new.
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Yup I did and I'm still doing it. What it looks like now is that there is a problem with the detail levels between the structural model and the architectural: setting one doesn't seem to affect the other 100%. In some cases it's partial! One column shows and another doesn't. I can't tell if it's a family problem or view settings in the structural project, but it's a mess. I'll try to figure out the right combination of settings that doesn't confuse Revit and post what I find. I've never had this much of an issue before.
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So after numerous attempts, flaky visibility in both the structural and architectural models I arrived at the solution. First, the structural columns had the "Showfamily pre-cut in plan" option checked. After unchecking this, saving the structural model, and then reloading into the architectural model it worked. Stupid easy! Whew. I was starting to go bananas. Thanks for all your responses!
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Glad you found the problem.
I would have not come up with that one although I knew it existed. We typically copy monitor ths structural columns and turn off the structural model in plan views and turn off our columns in other views. Copy monitor assurs that we will see size changes and movement by the structural engineer.
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That's a good workflow too: avoid the issue in the families I found in the structural model that way probably.
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