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Hi All,I've looked on the forums for solutions for the following, but cannot find a direct answer. I have however found two possibles and would like those with more experience to advise me on which (if either) is best.I need to create stone window surrounds including mullions and in some cases transoms to replicate an existing building. See the image attached. It is not the exact building, but is by the same architect (John Douglas) and is very similar in terms of profile/moulding to what I need to create.  I think I can get my head around a "simple" first floor windows, but am at a loss about the ground floor windows that have the stone transom.Two options I have seen suggested are as follows;1. Create a solid extrusion within the window family. Lock the extrusion to itself to maintain its shape, then lock rear face of extrusion to the window frame so that it will change as the window dimenions change. 2. Create a hosted wall family for the stonework (including voids to cut out portions of brick wall). Insert this into the wall, seperately to the window. I'm not sure if this will clash with the window behind though?!I dont envisage that I can do this parametrically in the sense of 1 family including 1, 2, 3, or four casements that update the number of mullions and transoms accordingly - too complicated for me at this time, even if it is possible.Regarding my skills, I was trained and used solely Revit for 18 months back in 2007/2008. Since then I've tried to keep my hand in by downloading trial copies but have frankly forgotten a lot! I'm now at another practice that currently use Revit 2012, but I think we will be upgrading to 2016 in the near future. I would like to make these elements as well as possible (do it once, do it right) so that we can schedule things accurately etc.Any advice would be greatly appreciated and the addage of Keep-It-Simple-Stupid applies - I wont be offended if you respond to me in idiot speak.Regards,Matt.

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wow, magnificent old mansion.

interesting chimney detailing as well.

the more you look at this pic the more detail that emerges.

i wish you luck.

the window transomes could be done a profiled sweeps?

also nest the window frames with chamfered reveals in a larger stone surround.

this would make an interesting all year course project to replicate the pic, it certainly would sort out the sheep from the goats.

im afraid id be a goat though.

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I don't see any reason to do much of this in a family.  You do need a window family where you can set the location back fro the face of the wall.  Beyond that, I would do most of the surrounding stonework in-place in the model.

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I have done this quite a lot and in place modelling is the only way to go. 

From the photo every surround is unique (random stone coursing) so there is no mileage in parametric window families.

If you have to schedule stone repairs you may need to be able to identify every stone block separately...

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Hi, Many thanks to those that replied. WWHub, I had thought about setting the windows back, I just need to confirm set-back depth and how many types of window there are in the building - typically in the John Douglas buildings we've looked at so far ther is a mixture of box sash and metal frame (his hayday was 1870 - the 1890's).I'm glad there is a consensus regarding in place modelling. There appears to be two profiles for window surrounds so at least when I have created those a good deal of the hard work will be done. As for the chimneys (threee types!)....... I'll look at those once I've cracked the windows.Thanks again for all your help and reassurance.Regards,Matt.

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