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Hi all.
I'm working for an Australian Architecture firm and looking at producing a report outlining the most efficient way to implement Revit into the company (current size 270 approx worldwide) including transfering all current CAD standards from ACAD to Revit.
Who are the world leaders in Revit? How did they (or anyone else) make the transfer from one system to another? Were live projects used for the implementation and were there any hiccups along the way that we could learn from?
It would be great to get some feedback as I am very keen to get this platform into our offices.
Thanks in advance.
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you might want to check out these two links
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=3782406
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/linkedsumindex?siteID=123112&id=544532&linkID=3770249
best regards,
coreed,aia
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Thanks for that- It seems my work is already done!
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Rower:
Our firm has made and is still in the trasnsition to Revit we have now produced 2 projects in Revit from concepts to completion of construction documents. In my opinion it will change the dynamics of how you office will work. Because your dealing with a true 3d model it really requires your senior people to be actively involved. We have found the the junior people in our firm are going to be utilized to make compnents for inclusion into the project by senior people. If you want some more of our experiences I be more than happy to talk with you further.
Troy Secord, AIA
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Troy,
We are contemplating either starting Revit on a live project and dealing with the bumps along the way, or using a dummy project to get familiar and then going live. How did you deal with this?
What we are finding is that the people out there in the marketplace trying to sell us the product can't make it do what we need it to do for maximum performance- ie complex truss systems and complex roofs in airports.
Can you, or anyone point me in the right direction to get some images of 2 directional curved roofs?
Also, what sort of training (and support) did you get and time frames?
It seems like the US is further ahead in Revit than Aust. Is there any companies that are regarded as standing above others in the use of Revit?
Thanks
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We tried the dummy project approach but could never find the time to spend on it when there was billable jobs in the office. We went through a couple of series of development. WE first took a project to schematics and then converted to our traditional software (Autocad). Then we evaluated lessons learned. The next project we took to Design Development then evaluated again until we got through the construction document phase. One of the biggest aha moments we had is that we were so caught up in the 3D aspects of revit that we failed to recognize that it is also a great 2D program; not everything has to be in 3D!!!! On the 2 complete projects we did the first had alot of imported autocad files of our standard details. the second we exploded and redrew them in Revit.
One thing to be wary of is site atributes of Revit they are very difficult to manipulate and in my opinion need alot of work to be functional in a working drawing format. We have left the site portion of the 2 projects in autocad. We are currently working on our 3 project and have drawn the site in revit 3D for presentation but Revit 2D for working drawings.
As far as complex curved roofs are concerned, we have not done any but I think you wouild start in developing a mass and then have the face be a roof.
Traning we just gurbed it out for the most part. Did the tutorials thanat that time they had online siminars we attended but they no longer exist. they do have seminars you can download from auto cad that may be usefull. Teh other thing we did was to shadow a project: draw aspects conventionally to be productive and then try to duplicate what was done in autcad in revit. Finally we sent one of our staff to autocad university. Best investment we have made. WE are now going to try to get some onsight training. Would not suggest doing that right of the bat because you really do not have a feel for what questions to ask.
As far as firms that stand out I would suggest HKS, Inc. they have made a major move to transition to Revit. I think your will find a lot of firms get to a DD level bretty easy but struggle in going into CD's becauise of workgroups and how easily you can mess up your model if you have people that do not have the experience to realize how there modification to the model have a rippling affect.
If you would like at some pont in time we could do an online meeting and I can show some of the stuff we have done.
Troy Secord, AIA
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Troy,
Yes at some point would like to do a online chat, however please let me get my head around what you have told me so far!
It's interesting that you wouldn't jump straight into training and then start a project. Also I wasn't aware of a Revit Uni. I will try to source any external courses in Aust.
If you had your time again- How would you implement Revit into your firm?
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It is Autcad University and it is usually in Las Vegas, Nevada in November. They have quite a few Revit courses.
I think if you have a few people that are self starters they can get a good feel of the project by going through the tutorials in the program and experiment for a while.
I would have shadowed a project much earlier rather than trying to do a dummy project. There was no sense of urgency and we did not push to learn the program. The tendenacy was to criticze the program as it compared to the program they were comforatable with, Autcad. Although, I would recommend starting with training until you get through the tutorials, I think we waited to long after getting a feel for Revit before seeking out training.
Again the biggest dynamic that we have found is that it will and has to change the way we produced projects in our office. You can not have junior people free rain of the model or they will inadvertently change things that will require you to continually redo things in your model!!!
Hope this has helped.
Troy
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