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Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:47:14 AM | Best practice for scheduling door frame types when the frame is a curtain wall

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My firm is using a template in which the door families are for the most part variations on Aaron Maller's doors that have been posted to the forum in the past (Thanks Aaron).  

 

One difference with our system is that our office does not wish to use premade interior sidelite frame families - it has been argued that while mullion placement variations can be configured in families to some extent, they do not have the ease and freedom of using the curtain wall tool to manipulate mullions and place door "panels".  So, we are going to have a door schedule where some of our doors have a nested frame type selected with an instance type parameter (ex: typical door in a solid wall with HM frame), and some of our doors are going to be in various interior "storefront" frame systems with sidelites and add'l glazing - and the doors have no nested frame type

 

When configuing the door schedule, I am looking for the best way to deal with the regular nested frame types along side the interior glazing frame types.  Because the doors in the interior glazing systems do not have a nested frame (the system is the frame), no frame type shows up in the schedule.  Our office wants the schedule to reference the interior glazing system frame type.

 

Which basically leaves me at importing a dummy frame (or frames) into the project and manually assigning each door a dummy frame whose mark matches the interior storefront mark.

 

I am fairly certain there is no way for a door to "know" the mark of a curtain wall system that it has been placed in, correct?

 

In any case, I feel like this could be done smarter but I am a bit stumped.  Wondering if any of you all have run into this situation and what your approach has been?  Appreciate the help!



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Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:39:55 PM | Best practice for scheduling door frame types when the frame is a curtain wall

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We are talking schedule here - not model, correct? 

Why isn't this simply a shared parameter?


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Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:37:04 PM | Best practice for scheduling door frame types when the frame is a curtain wall

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Yeah, the scheduling is the issue.

 

The frame type is a shared parameter - but it's a family type parameter.  Doors in curtainwalls dont have a frame family associated with them, so I can set it to be whatever I want in the schedule.  I just have to do it manually.  

 

I think my question boils down to 

 

1.  Is there a way for a door family to "know" the mark of the curtain wall element it has been placed in? (doubt it)

2.  Would you suggest another way of documentating frame types of doors in interior glazing systems that has less potential for error?  Manually assigning each door a frame type that matches the interior glazing mark where it's hosted is definitely doable, but since they are not truly "connected" I can see the potential for mistakes.

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Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:53:42 PM | Best practice for scheduling door frame types when the frame is a curtain wall

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You can assign shared parameters in the project level to curtain panels so that they will have the same information as your normal doors.  And that parameter can be type or instance.

 

  1. Answer - no - as I understand your question.
  2. I dthink your stuck with your manual process.

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Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:49:57 PM | Best practice for scheduling door frame types when the frame is a curtain wall

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Thx - will explore the shared paramter for the panels to see if that helps.

 


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