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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:40:52 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Working in Revit 2015.  I have a consultant’s structural model that I have linked into my own architectural model.  With their last update all of the existing structure (beams, columns, etc.) that we are demolishing in the New Construction phase are now showing up on all of my new views.

 

I don’t get it.  When I select the linked elements or even when I open up their structural model, the structural elements show up as Phase Created: Existing and Phase Demolished: New Construction.  All my view phases and phase filters are set up correctly as all my stuff is still showing up as it is supposed to.  This is happening on all views, floor plans, elevations, ceiling plans. 

 

Is there any reason why phase filters wouldn’t override a linked Revit model in a given view?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:12:45 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Update - Problem Solved.

 

Revit pulls the phase filters from the linked model, not the host.  My consultant had changed his phase CryingShow Previous + New) to show the demolished phase.  As a result, all the views I had (Show Previous + New) showed his demolished elements even though my phase filter was set to hide them.

 


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:13:33 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Tell us what your settings are!

 

My system works.



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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:15:29 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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As you can see in my previous post, Revit does not pull the phase from the link. 

 

Were you linking my vies?   Or had you not set the phase setting to be by host?


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:39:45 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Revit wasn’t pulling Phases from the link, it was pulling the Phase Filters from the link. 

See this thread for another discussion on the topic: http://www.revitforum.org/architecture-general-revit-questions/7452-phase-filter.html

It was a simple fix once I found the issue.  I just went into the consultant’s model, changed his Phase Filter for Show Previous + New to not show the Demolished phase (like in my model) and it was fixed once I refreshed.  I talked to my consultant and he admitted to changing this Phase Filter from the OOTB settings because he was using it in a couple of views and didn’t realize (as none of us did) that Revit pulls how he sets his phase filters up into the hosted model.  Of course this is only for his linked model.  The host model still pulls Phase Filters for its content from the host model setup.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:14:17 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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I don't understand! 

What you say is NOT true unless you are linking by view!  I asked you that and you didn't answer.  The Phase filter in the link doesn't matter if you are just linking the model which is what the normal practice is.  Then you have the control.  Linking by view should only be used in rare occasions.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:31:52 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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I don't understand why you say my comments are wrong.  The views are not linked, just the model.  Check out this quick set up I created to show you what I mean.  In the host model the demoed columns show up in the new floor plan.  This is soley becuase in the linked model the phase filter is set up to show demoed items in this particular phase filter.  No linked views, just linked model with different phase filter set up.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:34:34 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Sorry, files were too large (3 Mb) to upload.  Try it yourself and it works.  Take a linked file and mess around with how the phase filters are set up.  In the host model, when you refresh you will see that the changes you made in the linked model carry through to the host model, regardless of whta the host model phase filters are set at.  Try it.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:43:56 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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Look at my second and third images.   The second image is a 'demo' plan and my phase filter is set in the view.  The 3rd image is the VG for that view and is Revit's default setting.  It shows the phase is per the view and the phase filter is per the view.  You can pick custom and change these but YOU have to do that.  It has nothing to do with the link's settings. 

 

Phase filters are VIEW settings - not model.  As such, they can be set differently in different views and often are!    The phase of elements are model settings.    Obviously, for this to work correctly, the phases of both models MUST match.  Existing is the same existing in both models.... not some new, added phase.

 

So if you are NOT linking by view, then the consultatnt's view's phase filter settings have nothing to do with your model's view's phase filter settings.

 

Understand?


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:13:38 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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I thought for a moment you had me and I missed something, but I still don't think you are getting it.  My RVT Link Display Settings are all set to By Host.  So the Phase Filter is set to draw from the same host Phase Filter name, but again, it pulls what the phase filter settings for that named phase filter for the linked file, from the linked file.  So even though you have the same name phase filter and the linked files phase filter set to By Host, you can still get two different filter settings if you have different settings for each of the same named phase filter in the different files.  I know, I know this is very un Revit but I swear to you it is true.  Try this simple experiment if you don't believe me.

 

New file in Architect Templet.

Draw a wall as existing, demo it in new construction. 

Go to phase filters and set the phase filter Show Existing + New to show the Demolished phase to By Category. 

Save and close. 

Now link this file into a different model. 

Set a view to be phase New Construction and the phase filter to be Show Existing + New. 

 

You will see that in this host model, even though you have not messed with the Show Existing + New phase filter, even though the phase filter is still set to Not Display the Demolished phase and even though the linked file phase filter is set to By Host, the linked file still shows the demolished wall in this view.  Try this and then tell me I am wrong.


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Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:51:38 AM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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You are correct.  Although Revit says to use the host model settings, it does not.  I checked in 2012 and it worked the same.  The HELP explains this problem and shows it the same from 2012-2015.  So I checked 2011, the oldest program I still have installed, at it too had the same problem.  I have never seen this done before so I don't know if it ever worked correctly.  My Revit 9 'User's Guide' manual does not indicate the problem.

 

You would have thought that by now, Autodesk would have either corrected this problem or would have reworded the visibility settings to state what it really does.

 

Thanks for pointing all of this out.

 

BTW - When you wrote 'Phase Filter', I was always going to the phase filter settings for the view, not the Phase Filter graphic settings for the project.   That's why I couldn't understand your problem.



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Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:30:25 PM | Phase Filters not working on Linked Model

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This is something that I struggled with as well. I am in Revit 2015, and WWhub is correct on this issue. You do not need to go back into the linked model and change the settings around. The issue lies in visability and graphics within your revit linked file. Make sure the Building Site is by host view as well.

 

 



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