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Hi,I'm working on a project where I've got the Model file linked into the Sheets file. In the model file, I have pilecaps and piles, which I need to schedule separately. In the Model file, I can schedule everything fine, but when I repeat the same schedule in the Sheets file, it seems that each scheduled foundation element has another blank line associated with it. If I remove one pile, then one of the blank lines disappears too. I've tried filtering out by Mark or Comments but it doesn't work.There's nothing wrong with my pile or pilecap families, or else the Model file would get the same issue.Anyone got any ideas about this? (Image attached for clarity - I hope!)

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What is a "sheets" file?   Why would you ever have a file just for sheets?

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It's fairly standard practice to have several models linked into one master file, which contains all the drawing sheets. This has been widely done since Revit 2009, when the ability to tag linked models was added. That's not the issue here, though, I was just pointing out that in the model file the scheduling worked OK which proves that it's not a problem with the pile family...

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You wrote: "...It's fairly standard practice to have several models linked into one master file, which contains all the drawing sheets...."  << This is really not true.  We do have several models linked together but the linked models are not in the same discipline.  Typically, each discipline models and sheets in the same model to prevent problems like you are having. 

For a long time now, Revit has allowed us to schedule sheets from linked models in the model that has the project's title and index sheets.  It is far easier to control the sheets in each discipline's model.

If your office is structural then how do you break down your models and why would you?

With all of that said.... I don't really have a clue as to why you get double reporting of scheduled items.  It must be caused by your links but nested links typically only report once and I doubt these would be copy/monitored items.  I suggest you send this to Autodesk.

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Historically, the main reason for splitting a model into different areas (e.g. when I've worked on football stadia, they generally consist of several separate models, something along the lines of North Stand, South Stand, East Stand, West Stand, Foundations, Roof etc.) has been because of the file size - anything approaching 60-70Mb starts to get a bit laggy, especially when you've got several people working on it at the same time. Then it's easier to manage the drawing numbers by having all the sheets in the one master file, with all the individual models linked in. For one thing, it prevents drawing number duplication.

Another reason for doing this Model/Sheets file split is the issuing of co-ordination models via one of the many file sharing methods out there these days - you don't need to worry about deleting all your sheets etc. every time to prevent clients etc receiving unfinished/unissued/awaiting revision drawings.

As for the original purpose of this query - I've already put it on the Autodesk forum too. Hopefully someone form Autodesk will read it...

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We regularly have files over 200 meg and have no user problems (5-6 people most times).... we even did this back in 2006 where we had a 270 meg file.  In the 2006 project we also had linked in HVAC CAD files and linked in Revit structural files on top of the 270 meg architectural file.  We had to use reduced loads back then but we don't do that much anymore with the added memory and faster program.

Maybe you should re-evaluate at your process.  We no longer have the 3 gigabite switch problems we all had to deal with years ago.

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Problem solved - while checking for solutions I saw that there have been several updates so I downloaded and installed the Update Release 4 (4 already?!?) from the Autodesk website and this seems to have fixed the issue.

Also - It's not just my process that would need re-evaluating as you suggest. I'm not about to try and tell several large multi-national companies that I sometimes do work for that they need to change the way they work. Plus, it makes more sense the more companies move towards doing full BIM projects for the model issue reasons I mentioned earlier...

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