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Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:00:28 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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I starting using the view title that has the reference sheet and the sheet it is inserted. But I have some titles that are showing the wrong 

reference sheet. Like my level two floor plan is referencing a elevation sheet when I am calling out for a furniture plan.

 

What gives?

 

I'm using Revit 2014



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Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:09:41 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Be careful here.   It depends on where you cut the view.  Also .... similar callouts don't count.

 

 



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Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:12:50 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Your error is probably a process error.  Did you create your plan views from the view/floor plan tab?  ...or did you create them from a call-out .... or copy another view?

 

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Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:29:55 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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I usually start with a duplicate of the orignial floor plan. Then duplicate it and rename to floor finish, furniture, and so on. 

As i continue. I've notice that my main level two plan was referencing to sheet I-7.18. This is where I got lost. So I didn't know what to do 

next, except deleted the ones being call out and re-do it again from the beginning. 

 

But didn't know how to create a level two with out losing everyting that was constrain to that level.

 

 


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Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:30:25 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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WWhub,

 

Thanks for your quick response.

 

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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:36:54 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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WWHub - I need your help with a similar situation.

Revit 2014

First Floor Plan back references the Exterior Elevation Sheet.

Created the plan "from scratch" using View tab and Plan Views pull down.

Definitely created the floor plan first, before any other views or sheets.

Is there any way I can change the Referencing Sheet (it is grayed out in the properties box)?  Am I missing an update for 2014?  Am I insane? (don't answer that one)

You have always given the perfect and easy to understand answers.  Please help me with this if you can.

Thanks!!



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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:33:10 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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I see your plan but what good does that do me?  Without any comments it doesn't say anything.

 

2014 has at least two updates but that is not your problem.  The error is a process one but you have not given enough information to determine what.  View references have never failed that I know of.  Here are some "rules":

 

  • Assuming not Ref other View - Callouts from floor plans always refer to the plan they were called out from - not all plans.  It doesn't matter what that view is named - just what sheet number the host view is placed on.  So if the host view was renamed....
  • If you use REFERENCE OTHER VIEW, pay attention to what view you really picked.  Check the tags now because sometimes you pick the view below the one you want.
  • Copied views will NOT have the same reference as the view they were copied from.... Like you do a floor plan callout and say it's reference is 1/A1 then if you copy that view and place on another sheet, it will have a new reference number.  That reference number callout tag will be in the same place as the original.  Sometimes people move the tag but sometimes they just hide it.  When that happens, the wrong tag might be left.
  • Callouts / sections etc are phase dependent so be careful here.

 

 


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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:59:11 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Feeling a bit snarky today?  Yeah, I have no idea why I showed you the plan.  You'd have no idea the back reference to sheet A4.1 means our office standard designation for the first exterior elevation sheet.

In order:

  • I didn’t “Ref other View”.  This is a native floor plan for a building.  It was drawn from nothing and references no other drawing.  Its back reference should be blank (and usually is on plans created like this).  No host view exists to have been renamed.

  • Didn’t use REFERENCE OTHER VIEW, so no view was picked.  The A4.1 sheet in the back reference contains only Exterior Elevations.  This is why it is confusing to me.  There is no way the plan is ever keyed to the exterior elevations, and if it is, I have zero clue how or why that would ever be done.

  • It is not a copied view.  It is a base plan, drawn from a blank sheet of nothingness.  It is not referenced from any view, and it shouldn’t be, and that is the root of the problem.  Do you have any idea why  it is back referencing a sheet of exterior elevations?  They should, and do, back reference the plan (A2.1) sheet.  Is there a possibility something in that relationship is causing this oddity?

  • All one phase, no phasing set up or used on this project.

  • Thanks for your help and advice.  Sorry to bother you; but, this is truly vexing.  I can think of no rational reason why the plan would back reference to a sheet of exterior elevations.  The base plan should never (and as far as I know, doesn’t in this case) reference anything but itself. 


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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:39:31 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Not snarky ... just pointing out that it was a waste of my time.  If you had added text over it pointing out what was wrong then it may have been helpful.  An explanation of the lower left corner would be useful since I have never seen that convention.  This is the only place I see the A4.1 reference if that is what you are talking about.  If this is your view title then explain the function of these elements as they can be set differently.   Some people use sheet cut on/sheet shown on.....and I can only assume that maybe what these are.  I don't know what sheet number this view is on.

 

I can easily make what appears to be a floor plan from a section that is cut on an elevation.  Some people do not know that you can rotate section cuts in an elevation to do just that.  I often do this to show a plan detail of a facade element.

 


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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:20:13 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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In the lower right corner of the sheet title is what we call a "back reference".  The first sheet number is the main/native/host view the drawing you are looking at came from.  The second sheet number is the one you are currently viewing.  So, in our office sheet naming convention, A4.1 is the first sheet of exterior elevations.  A2.1 is the first floor plan (main view, from which blow up plans or match line plans are hosted from).  When I set up a sheet like A2.1, the back reference is usually shown as a question mark  ? : A2.1.  We would love to have Revit be able to back reference itself since traditionally the back reference in our office for this drawing would be A2.1 : A2.1 I have been able to get the partners to grudgingly agree to accept the question mark.  They will no accept an incorrect back reference.

Hopefully the two files I'm attaching will not waste your time any more than I have already.  The first is a screen shot of the Properties box when I have the floor plan sheet open and the view activated.  You can see the reference sheet is listed as A4.1 and the referring view as 13.  The second file is a screen shot of a portion of A4.1 showing view 13 (and the question mark back reference) and the properties box that does not appear to have any clues linking this view back to A2.1 that I can see.

I am an old architect raised on hand drafting, so when I want plan details, I key them from the plan.  Nice idea to get them from the exterior elevation, though.  Never occurred to me, so fairly certain I didn't do it with this model.  Since I am also one of only two people in the firm who have embraced Revit, I'm certain only I have touched this model.

Please help me if you can.  I truly appreciate all your wisdom and knowledge you've volunteered over the years.  Thanks.  mb

 

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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:01:29 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Please don't hit refresh because that causes double posting.  I assumed your last post was a change from the one posted 8 minutes earlier.

 

The sheet cut from (you call it back reference) sheet shown on process works correctly the last time I checked.  That being said, anytime you see a sheet cut from reference is a ?, then that view is NOT on a sheet.  It is as simple as that.  You cut the reference on a unsheeted view and placed the view on a sheet.  You can see what the host view was by looking at the view properties - it shows where the view was called out. 

 

If a floor plan was created from the VIEW tab / Floor plan drop down (uncheck the do not duplicate existing views) then the floor plan will have no referenncing views - thus you may get the question mark.  You can handle this by having a view type that does not have the cut from parameter. 

 

BTW - I probably have you beat.  Started hand drafting work in '68.


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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:06:01 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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W O W  !!!!

 

I just did some more testing and you pointed out a bug.  We don't use the sheet cut from process so I never saw this until I tested it.  Your first two levels were created by autodesk and they have NO refereced from sheet.  So when you create a new level you do so from an elevation or section.  GUESS WHAT!  If that view is placed on a sheet then that view becomes the rference for all future new levels. 

 

This is a bug that needs to be pointed out to autodesk.  For now, you can use my workaround or create your levels from a view that never gets sheeted.


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Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:26:24 PM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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Thanks, WWHub!

Started first drafting job in 1983. . .you def have me beat!

 

 


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Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:37:25 AM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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In terms of incorrect backreferencing - I had an issue where we had an elevation backreferencing to a Sketch design plan instead of construction - and you can't just change the backreferencing automatically (Hope autodesk changes this in future to back reference other view like you can forward reference) I found that when I go to the view it was back referencing and hide the elevation marker then save and close the project - it will then reopen with the next view the elevation marker is shown in which was the construction plan we wanted it to be backreferencing to. A crappy bug but finally a work around for incorrect referencing. 

Just as a note - it doesn't automatically update when you hide it in the view straight away which is why you need to save and reopen the project. Hope that makes sense - I just got really excited about this because it seems to happen far too much :/


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Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 5:26:30 AM | Showing wrong reference sheet on view title

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I know its a old post, is there a good workflow around this issue, i.e the sheet referencing parameter references the correct sheet. Afterall the sheet referncing parameter is a powerful reference to have. 

My solution would be to create a plan callout when the view is placed on a sheet, not before that. It still not 100% for dependent views. Any thoughts would be appreciated.


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