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renatolemus

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Hello everybody:

 I'm trying to create a  floor plan with wall finishes, all with material tags (so, if you change or paint something, it gets updated automatically).

 I have modified my materials with lots of information but I noticed that if you paint a wall face with material paint tool, the material tag does not recognize the "painted" material and tags the original material specified in the finish layer.

Is there a way or workaround to tag materials by paint? I would love to know different approaches to overcome this limitation.

BTW, In elevations works fine, but not in plan views. I don´t want to end up with lots of wall types just to change  paint colors.

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Edited on: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:36:30 PM

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Material tgs typically do recognize painted surfaces but material tags don't "update".  You have to repoint to the material.

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Thanks for your reply. In my tests, I paint the wall first, then tag it, and it indicates the wrong material. I can´t get it to point the right material no matter what. All In plan view.

In elevation works great. It even changes if you change the painted material.

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That's exactly my problem too.

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i've found this in http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?103491-Paint-Bucket-and-Tagging"There is another way. If you actually apply a layer to the wall assembly, using the material you want and give it a really small thickness, you can keynote the material in plan that way. It's not ideal, but it works." 

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Paint has no thickness.   That is why you can't tag it in plan views.  

Paint is a poor tool to use.  Correct modeling is a far superior process.

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this is an old thread but it speaks directly to our current issue.  

WW, you suggest that paint is a "poor tool", so how would you suggest that an Interior Designer apply finish tags on both the interior elevations and finsh plans?  

We found that creating multiple walls (or gyp. board materials) to represent all the various paint finishes in a given project can create a HUGE number of identical walls (identical except for the paint finish, of course) - especially if 1 side of the wall has PT-1 and the other PT-2.  

We are still using Revit 2015 but will be upgrading to 2017 in January.  Is there a workflow that would allow the same parameter to be tagged in elevation and plan?  Without creating 20 or 50 (basically) identical walls?

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You say you can't easily create that many wall types to do what you want.  That's right but you have another problem.  Most users don't run interior walls based on rooms.  Corridor walls run the length of the corridor so the wall finish also runs the length. The wall process will not affectively work.

In our office, we used a non-BIM solution.  I would have preferred something else but what since paint doesn't tag in plan views?  We had a type based finish tag and we coodinated the tags from elevation to plans.  (BTW - I never tested. Does paint jump the intersecting wall gap at corridor walls.  I don't have Revit here at home to check)  If we lobby Autodesk, maybe they will fix the paint tag problem.

So for now, the best BIM solution could be a very thin finish veneer wall that is placed in it's own workset so it could be turned off when dimensioning.  We use thin walls for tile veneers in bathrooms using the following process do this:

1. Load or create all of your materials -  paints or fabric etc.
2. Create a very thin wall using one of these materials.  Save it, change the material and save again as a new wall type.  You will need a different type of these thin walls for each paint but these will be portable project to project because you will save these walls to library.  Loading these walls in future projects will load the material as well.
3. Group these 4 walls
4. Drop a copy of this group into the middle of your room and explode it.  (You could also just draw a small rectangle with one on the types.  It is far easier to start with a joined square rather than trying to dfraw around your perimeter.)
5. If the finishes need to change, alter the appropriate walls.
6. Use the align too to align the back of each wall to your room wall face and join the veneer to the host wall.

Now everything will take and is fully BIM.

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