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MongooseST1

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Is there a better way to pull detail items into a REVIT project so detail construction can be more efficient?

I see various ways to detail from using the drafting views to a hybrid of a callout view and detail items added. 

What I would like to know is HOW one can expand and improve upon the detail library located in the Libraries in Revit 2014 data files? and how can one provide ALL of those items in every project in the Detail Items located in the Project Browser under Families and have a separate dialogue box pop up similair to the AutoCAD Architecture detailing

Can one purchase additional detail items to really expand upon the meager library Revit provides?

I am using Revit Architecture 2014 64 bit

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ronmalit

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i hope i understand what do you require, but can you try this links:

http://apps.exchange.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=appstore.exchange.autodesk.com%3apopiconforrevit2013%3aen

http://www.popiconsoftware.com

i saw their screenshot and the can organize content by modelling, detailing, etc etc

and 

http://apps.exchange.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=appstore.exchange.autodesk.com%3afamilybrowser%3aen

www.kiwicodes.com

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I am a big advocate of always using the model elements whever possible.  Wall sections, building sections, elevations, plans are all model.  In wall sections and detail views, we use the edit cut profile rather than filled regions for modification of model elements.  In detail views, we will replace windows and doors with detail elements.  Obviosly, for standard type projects, we will use standard drafting details where appropriate like for interior door details, thresholds etc but if the detail is unique, it is model based.

Don't over burden your projects by loading everything that might be used into your template.  Instead use "container" projects. (Container - a new term people are using.  We call them resource files.) 

Create seperate "container" files for different category items.  We have ones for wall types - every wall type is set up in legend views placed on sheets according to construction type - wood studs, metal studs, masonry ... etc.  We have one for our stock doors, again shown on sheets by category with a plan vies, elevation view and 3D view on the sheet.  We have others for toilet rooms, windows, roof elements and details, door and window details, fill patterns.   Still creating others as we need them.

To use these container projects, you simply open the project up in the same session.  For walls, we simply copy the appropriate legend and paste it into our project legend sheet.  For doors / windows and like items, we select what we want from a view and paste it into our project.  For grouped toilet items, we copy paste the group.... for detail items, we either copy paste the view or use the insert view tool.

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MongooseST1

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Thanks WWhub.....I just have a few questions.....

I am a big advocate of always using the model elements whever possible.  Wall sections, building sections, elevations, plans are all model.  In wall sections and detail views, we use the edit cut profile rather than filled regions for modification of model elements.  In detail views, we will replace windows and doors with detail elements.  Obviosly, for standard type projects, we will use standard drafting details where appropriate like for interior door details, thresholds etc but if the detail is unique, it is model based.

We do the same thing a hybrid of the model with detail components in small scale details ( i.e. 3”=1’-0”, 1-1/2”=1’-0&rdquo For standard door headers, sills, window jambs, etc they are drawin in the DRAFTING mode

Don't over burden your projects by loading everything that might be used into your template.  Instead use "container" projects. (Container - a new term people are using.  We call them resource files.) 

From what I understand the templates are very important and each template has ALL wall, door, windows, detail items, sheet sizes and company title blocks on these sheets already preconfigured so when one opens up a new project these templates are selected to be used as the basis of the project. So why now use “containers”?

You state “Don't over burden your projects by loading everything that might be used into your template” what are you referring to “everything”?  Our problem is when we go to detailing the custom project detail views we have to drill down many levels to get to the file in the REVIT data file under Detail Items to assemble these components over top of the model section/detail. There has to be a better way of utilizing a pop up menu system to access these detail items, moreover there must be additional detail items one can either purchase and download or seek elsewhere to add to the detail items so ones ability at creating details is powerful and limitless…

 Create seperate "container" files for different category items.  We have ones for wall types - every wall type is set up in legend views placed on sheets according to construction type - wood studs, metal studs, masonry ... etc.  We have one for our stock doors, again shown on sheets by category with a plan vies, elevation view and 3D view on the sheet.  We have others for toilet rooms, windows, roof elements and details, door and window details, fill patterns.   Still creating others as we need them.

 When you say container projects then say container files…??? Are the container files just files separating out doors for one file, windows for another files, etc, etc??Are the container projects just that…separate files for a particular project?

When you speak of legend view I assume you are putting all wall types on a legend sheet then inserting them via copy/past command into each project, which in turn creates the ability to have all wall, door, windo types in each and every project?

To use these container projects, you simply open the project up in the same session. For walls, we simply copy the appropriate legend and paste it into our project legend sheet.  For doors / windows and like items, we select what we want from a view and paste it into our project.  For grouped toilet items, we copy paste the group.... for detail items, we either copy paste the view or use the insert view tool.

What do you mean by to use these container projects you open the project in the same session??? Do you mean having a project opened then open up the container project/file ( which is nothing more than a project that has all wall, door, window, assemblies and standard details in it) then copy / past from the container to the in session project??

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We DON'T have everything in our templates.   That will really bog you down.  We have some typical toilet fixtures, walls (a few metal stud and CMU, a generic and a CW) and doors (standard interior single and double, HM single and double) that are usually in every project but no exterior walls and typically no rated walls.  You can usually start a project with just these components they swap out types globally as the project progresses.  Who cares if you start with flush valve toilets initially - the toilet is located and accounted for.

Obviously to do the above process, you pay attention to how the families are created.  You don't mix door families that are center created with something that is edge controlled.  So library and family standards are important.

Did you know you can copy detail items between views?  I will often copy paste in one operation, several different detail items into a model detail view.  The view I copy from may be in a container view or simply a drafting view in the project.  Out of the box thinking - that might just be a "container type of view in itself in that it is not a view to be sheeted.... it just has multiple items to be copied and placed elsewhere,  Like blocking - sealants, studs, door/window elements, etc.  A place view you can open and find what you need instead of through the browser.

I said we had container files (projects) ...typically by major category - then we have separate sheets in those files.  One container file is walls but it has metal stud sheets, wood stud sheets, masonry sheets.... Every one of our typical interior wall types has its own unique tagable wall type "number" and pretty much, every interior wall type can be found in this container file.  The project manager will load the appropriate wall types for his project.

Don't put everything in one container file.  Use separate files for major categories.

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