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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:06:11 AM | Revit Keynoting

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We are using Revit keynotes (Both Element and User Keynotes) on a project and noticed that all Keynotes on our floor plans are off by exactly 4 numbers on all plans.  For example: Keynote 520 on my plan should actually be 524 to correspond to the correct text.  Anybody had this happen before?  And were you able to fix it?


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:25:50 AM | Revit Keynoting

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You don't provide enough information about your problem.

If the keynote number in plan is 520 - then someone assigned that number OR it is assigned by element.  Did you know you can do that in families?  Look at you element's type and instance based properties.  This number may have been assigned when you first loaded the family.


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:47:03 AM | Revit Keynoting

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I am certain that somebody did not assign the wrong keynote because they were correct at one point.  And, I am aware that keynotes can be assigned to an element in its type properties.  That was my first thought as well, but they are all off by exactly 4 numbers.  Which makes me think this might have been a problem with the text file. 

My theory is that someone edited the text file and added 4 notes at the beginning of the 500 series instead of the end, thus pushing all of the notes exactly four slots down.  I will test this theory at lunch to see if that could cause the problem.

I really hope that is not what happened for many reasons. 


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:15:49 AM | Revit Keynoting

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If someone edits your keynote file by a text method, then I doubt that was your issue.  If you edit by using a spread sheet or a keynote editor product, then they may have done this.

 

Note:  If you reload a family "and its parameters", you might load an old keynote number.

If some one picked keynote by element, thought they picked user and changed the number, they they changed this property everywhere.  << I will bet this is your real problem.


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:32:06 AM | Revit Keynoting

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I agree that is very likely what happened.  But don't you think it is strange that every single note on all of the floor plans is off by exactly 4 notes?


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:48:20 AM | Revit Keynoting

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You say every different keynote - for different elements?  I took it as the same keynote number in multiple places.

 

It could still be users changing element references.  If so, then that is an issue.  You didn't say how you edit your keynotes but editing numbers in the 500's by changing a text file doesn't seem likely. 

 

Obviously, either way, you have some retraining issues and you are got some work ahead to proof your project.  Hopefully - just this one project!


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:41:57 AM | Revit Keynoting

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Well, I appreciate the insight.  We do have a bunch of noobs and this was their first big Revit job, so if this is the biggest SNAFU, I will chalk it up to a learning experience for them.  Why doesn't Revit have a button to instantly dump 10+ years of Revit experience from my brain into the interns' brains?  I will add it to the wishlist. 

 

 


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:30:41 PM | DanR

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Quoting DanR from 2013-11-07 09:47:03

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I am certain that somebody did not assign the wrong keynote because they were correct at one point.  And, I am aware that keynotes can be assigned to an element in its type properties.  That was my first thought as well, but they are all off by exactly 4 numbers.  Which makes me think this might have been a problem with the text file. 

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This is the problem I want to have with my text file.  I want my keynotes to update if I add keynotes to the text file.  If I was reading your post correctly, by adding notes and numbers to your text file, your keynotes were changed in your revit file. 

I must not be formating my text file correctly, becuase I want this to happen but cannot get it to function this way.


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:21:51 PM | Revit Keynoting

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If you add keynotes to the text file, how can that update in the model?  It can't because there was no reference.  Keynotes are indexed by the number - not the note.  You can edit the text behind the number and then it will update but it has to be indexed first by a number...

 

Remember.  Revised Keynote files don't automatically change in the file unless they are loaded.  They are loaded at startup but then while working, you must reload.


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Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:15:34 PM | Revit Keynoting

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I understand the reloading and tagging of the keynotes in Revit. I may not understand the editing of the text file as well as I thought.

Hypothetical, in my revit file I have 9 keynotes all tagged to different objects.

Revit is closed and I am editing my text file.  I have 9 notes and realized I left out a note that I want to be note 2.  I insert into line 2 and renumber the rest of the notes.  Now I have 10 keynotes.

When I open Revit back up, will my previous keynotes be automatically corrected. I will have objects tagged with numbers 1-10, but not 2 until I reference my new note.  I know the schedule will automatically update, but will the tags update or will I need to manually update 1 of each number.

I had expected them to automatically update, but I am finding i need to manually fix 1 of each number.  That is my question.  Reading DanR comments it sounded like he had some tags "auto correct", which he did not want, but I do, in this case.


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Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:58:16 AM | Revit Keynoting

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As I explained earlier, the numbers are the index, not the note.  So renumbering means you have to change the kenote reference in the project to the new tag number.

 

Just like everything in Revit - plan ahead.  Renumbering is bad.


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