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Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:48:55 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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I have included my model and elevation of a project I am workig on. I am tryign to figure out why the log wall I have created is not being cut cleanly at the roof line but is behaving like stepped flashing. 

 

In addition I have cut the south facing walls so I can convert sections of them to curtain walls for a floor to ceiling window in the south exposure. However when doing so it leaves a substantial gap from the top of the curtain wall to the underside of the roof struture wheby I have to carefully insert a wall, then adjust its profile, but it doesn't behave to line up below the curtain wall and peorply fill in the gap and have the logs cut at the underside of the roof section above it and the same problem of the wall intersecting with the lower roof and behaving like stepped flashing. 

Does the log wall I carefully made conform to proepr REVIT protocol so it wrpas and cuts the wal anywall is supposed to?

 

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Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:50:10 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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Here is the project file


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:10:34 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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You don't say how your wall was made so its hard to give an answer to wether its made correctly. Also your image doesn't tell us a whole lot it is pretty far away.  Did you attach the top of your wall to your roof using the attach/detach top/base command?


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:51:44 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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I believe you added sweeps to your wall definition and sweeps will not work for this.  Search the forums for threads with 'log' in them and you will find a thread where I showed an alternate way of creating log walls.


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:06:39 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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Hi WWHub,

 

Is this the POST you indicated?

 

http://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=17944

 


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:11:30 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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Yes.  That solves the problem you are having. 


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:49:41 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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One more thing WWhub, 

 

Besides the slowing down of a project with sweeps what is the reason for NOT using SWEEPS to construct the wall? I obtained instruction on doign the subject wall I provided here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B281SEPkgE. While one might laugh at YOUTUBE it is really the only place where one can get some kind of instruction on this aspect of walls. 

 

The profile you are doign is a FULL log wall. I am lookign to provide a 2x8 insulated drywall inside and 1/2 plywood shearwal outisde with log FACING and the above video does such a facing BUT like you said it does not properly account for the roof line intersection by making a clean cut, but rather cutting it so it looks like stepped flashing.......


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:49:44 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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So the instructions seen in the video don't work.  They don't show you what happens at the roof and how they solved that.

 

You might rty using your wall but cutting the wall with an in-place void instead of attaching it to the roof.  I don't know if that will work or not.


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:53:20 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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WWHub, your solution takes care of the wall placement and size of the REVIT file but it does not allow one to create good wall sections to fully represent the wall I am trying to represent.

That is a 2x8 wall with 5/8" gyp board and 1/2" sheet rock and Insulation with a log face that all can be represented and detailed in a wall section that I can pull anywhere from the the walls of my subject structure.

 

Moroevre how did you create the profile in the drawing of the wall in your LOG post? In the EDIT WALL in the drawing or outside by creatign a family profile.....I do not understand your post http://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=17944

Can you please clarify?


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:07:29 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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If you build the wall as a structural layer - log and then your interior layers, and then cut one side only with the void, the process will work for your project.  Sections will be accurate as well.  Just not the dividing lines between logs.


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:32:30 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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If you build the wall as a structural layer - Log and then your interior layers, DID THAT WITH THE 2X6 WALL ( SEE ENCLOSED RVT FILE

 

and then cut one side only with the void, THIS IS WHERE YOU LOSE ME. WHAT VOID AND HOW IS A VOID INSERTED INTO A WALL WHILE EDITING IT ?? AND WHY USE A VOID. MY UNDERSTANDING OF A VOID IS JUST THAT A VOID A HOLE THAT HAS NOTHING............

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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:52:18 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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You might need to spend a little time with family creation.  A void is not just "A VOID IS JUST THAT A VOID A HOLE THAT HAS NOTHING"

 

Your void is not placed in the wall. It is created in the project as an in-place void and used to cut the wall.


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Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:22:01 PM | Stepped Wall over Curtain Walls using Log Walls

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If you follow the wall defined void solution you posted from Wiki, you will see that the sweeps will still not cut correctly at sloping roofs.  Top left sweep in in image below.

 

If you use an in-place void, it will cut the sweep.  Funky square in image below.



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