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Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:08:24 PM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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I finally made a 3d door panel with parametric swing, which took moe several nights. Now I am trying to create a nested family. But once it is imported in a parenty family. It gets bad. Everytime the swing angle chagnes, the width of the panel will change, which doesn't happen in its own family edit mode. It happens both before and after it shares parameters such as width and hegiht. 

 

Two files are attached. One is flush, and the other is a recessed panel. I also had to spend another several nights to figure out to have both the panel and void (for recess) swing together. It also works fine until it is imported to a parent family.

 

Ps. in order to see if it's going to make differences, they are constructed in a slightly different way with reference planes. Unfortunately, both just don't work in a parent family.  

 

Please, help. 



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Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:50:58 PM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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No one can help me because there aren't any using 2014? 

Please I need your help. I've lost too many nights trying to solve this problem. I think I read/watched all the tutorials out there on making Family. 


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Sun, May 19, 2013 at 5:14:17 PM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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I haven't been able to solve this problem myself. Could someone please offer help?


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Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:48:02 PM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Hey!!!! I'll help you out. Unfortunately I'm still using revit 2012 so I cant open your family. Take a look at the door family I've attached though it has a parametric swing. Try sending clear Jpeg images of the door's plan, elevations and sections showing the reference planes. I might be a ble to spot your mistake. Hope to hear from you.

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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:37:26 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Thank you very much. I tried the door you uploaded, but the door handle gets separated from the door at 90. (I guess the 2d line is supposed to stay at 90 when the 3d door is at another angle.) Please refer to 1, 2.jpg for this. 

 

What I have been trying to do is, have 2d door and 3d door(hidden on orthographic views) swing separtely. Another thing I am tyring to add to this is, usuing masking region not just 2d symbolic line so that it can cover floor finish pattern on plan. My test files don't have masking regions yet since I couldn't even get 2d lines/3d door to work. 

 

The attached Plan, Elevation, and Section.jpg are screenschots of one of the door panels that I uploaded. This swings fine on its own, but when I try to insert this in a new door family, the whole thing gets messed up. I am using reference lines for swing, which many tutorials I found say I need to use. (Eventually, I will want to use both a 3d door panel family and a 2d door line family in a new door family for separate 2d/3d swing but coordinated for other things such as size)

 

Thank you very much for your time trying to help. Please let me know if what I am saying is not clear enough. 



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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:01:52 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Why do u want a seperate 2d/3d swing. Did you model the door as a face based element?????


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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:14:22 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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The door handle moved in my family because it wasn't locked properly. Take a look at it now. Please can u give a clear step by step explanantion of your modelling process???. This should help me in highlighting your mistakes.



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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:01:49 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Thank you for your prompt reply. I had reference line for swing in the door panel family itself, but your door panel is just a simple extrusion without any reference line for swing. I guess that is my first mistake? 

 

Your door panel family seems to be a generic family, but what is the big extrusion under the door panel? Am I also supposed to make the door panel family as 'generic model something based' instead of just 'generic model'? 


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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:22:21 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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I missed one of your replies. To answer your question:

 

On the construction documentation plan, it may be better the door is open at 90. But when I also want to show the room in perspective line drawing, most times I want the door closed or open just slightly. Basically, I want doors behave separately when viewed in orthographic view and 3d view. Hence, the 3d door panel will have to be hidden in plan, elevation, and section drawings. There are other many reasons I am trying to acheive this, but I don't want to bore you with it. I hope this at least helps you understand that I am not trying to do something unneccessary. Please let me know if this doesn't make any sense, and there are better ways. 


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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:29:01 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Yes the door should be a faced based generic model :-). See why I need your modelling process. The faced based generic model should then be placed on a reference line in a door family. The large thing beneath the door represents the face of the reference line.

Hope this help I'll reply to your next message soon


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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:55:08 AM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Err......I see what you are trying to do but I just don't understand why the door has to behave differently in the different views. I don't see why it's a problem if the door is slightly open in perspective and this reflects in plan also. Just change the door swing parameter to open the door wider when needed. I dont really get wht this worries you.

Conventionally door swings are shown to their full extents. I don't see the point in changing such a convention. Just draw a symbolic line to show the full door swing and model the door with an angle parameter as I have described.

If you still want to go foward with your idea. I would suggest that you create a generic annotation family. Generic annotations are only visible in the views they are placed in. Nest this generic annotation into the door family making sure it also has the parameters that the door has.

Tell me if I haven't explained well enough.


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Tue, May 21, 2013 at 12:58:01 PM | Nested 3d door panel parametric swing and the width problem

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Thank you. I appreciate your help very much. This is my first time to hear the door panel should be a face based model for parametric swing. I will certainly try your way.

 

The biggest reason I have been trying this is simply because I wanted to do it. As I am trying to teach myself Revit and starting to use it for office work as well, I believe the best way to learn the software is to figure out things challenging to me. To be honest, I just simply didn't like that I didn't know how to do things with it. I am just trying to get to know everything about it so that I can use it as efficiently as other softwares I have been using. 


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