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I currently have a project where I am working on Phase 2 (we have 4 phases in one job). I have a New Plan and a Demolition Plan, (also an existing plan for reference)
When I cut a section on my New plan I do not want it to show up on my Demolition Plan but for some reason it is, I thought my phase and phase filters would get rid of it. If I cut one on my New plan it does NOT show on my Existing plan (thats how I want it) They are as follows
DEMO-
Phase- Phase 2
Phase filter- Show Previous + Demo
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Phase- Phase 2
Phase filter- Show Previous + New
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Phase- Existing
Phase Filter- Show All
I'm assuming it has to do with my phase filters but can't figure out exatly what I'm doing wrong. (its been a long day).
I just did a little test and if I add a demo phase for each phase I can get it to work, I'm not sure how great of an idea this is, I have always heard you shouldn't have a demo phase.
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Not sure but you can 'hide in view' as a last resort.
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Thanks DG, We have a LOT! of views and sections so I'm trying to stay away from that option.
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I made 3 Phases (1, 2, 3) put a section in each phase, set 3 views each for a seperate phase, set each phase filert to 'show all' and everything behaved as expected. Even did a little demo in phase 2 and 3 to add more walls.
I never create a 'demo' phase. That causes problems.
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I also tried setting the phase filter for phase 2 and 3 to be 'Show Previous + New', and it still looked good but just changed the dashed walls to solid walls. But the sections markers behaved as expected.
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Demo Phase is a myth. You can Demo anytime, thus no need for a Demo Phase.
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DG it looks like you are showing demo an new in the same view. What happens when you have 2 different views, both on Phase 2, one with phase filter "show previous + new" and one with "show previous + demo". Then place a section in the New work view, does it still show up in the demo work view? I need to have a demolition plan and a new work plan separate yet in the same phase. Hope I'm not confusing you.
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DG it looks like you are showing demo an new in the same view. What happens when you have 2 different views, both on Phase 2, one with phase filter "show previous + new" and one with "show previous + demo". Then place a section in the New work view, does it still show up in the demo work view? I need to have a demolition plan and a new work plan separate yet in the same phase. Hope I'm not confusing you.
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I think you are trying to re-define how Phasings works. Items create in the same Phase are the same. I think you are
going wrong by thinking that your deomolition plan and new work plan have to be in the same Phase. When you create
Section marker it take on the Phase properties of the view. Since you have the Phase set the same for both Views, the
marker is displayed in both views.
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Your probably right I'm trying to wrap my head around this. This is the first time I've done 4 phases in one project however all phases are going out on the same set (its a little confusing and I don't like the process set up).
"Items create in the same Phase are the same".
Correct.. however I want to see the section mark in the new work view and NOT on the demo work view. I thought Phase Filters might take care of this but it's not.
"I think you are going wrong by thinking that your deomolition plan and new work plan have to be in the same Phase."
Well the demo and the new work is all being done as part of Phase 2 so what is my other option? Like I said I was thinking of making a Phase 2D to put just the demo work on but I know that isn't good practice, or so I've been told.
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Your probably right I'm trying to wrap my head around this. This is the first time I've done 4 phases in one project however all phases are going out on the same set (its a little confusing and I don't like the process set up).
"Items create in the same Phase are the same".
Correct.. however I want to see the section mark in the new work view and NOT on the demo work view. I thought Phase Filters might take care of this but it's not.
"I think you are going wrong by thinking that your deomolition plan and new work plan have to be in the same Phase."
Well the demo and the new work is all being done as part of Phase 2 so what is my other option? Like I said I was thinking of making a Phase 2D to put just the demo work on but I know that isn't good practice, or so I've been told.
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When you say demo and new is all bring done as part of Phase 2 do you mean in trems of your Office Project Phasing
or how you are going to setup your Revit Phasing. If it is your Revit Phasing i see only two phases needed. Post in
numbered steps what you are trying to do and I will let you know what I think.
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We are doing the entire project in 4 phases (all in one set) and I think that is where I am having a problem.
Currently for Phases I have
Existing, Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4 and Project Completion
The way the project is being done is we have demolition and new work being done in one area for Phase 1, then for Phase 2 there is more demolition and new work being done which won't be done until Phase 1 construction is complete, etc. etc.
I think Where I am going wrong is I need to add 3 Phases: Phase 2 Existing, Phase 3 Existing and Phase 4 Existing to solve my problem.
I'm not really sure how else to explain it.
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Thanks, I'm going to work up something based on what you wrote and you let me how close I am to what you want to do. Looks like this can be done with 3 Phases, 4 Phases max.
I think where your going wrong is that you think to get something to display a certain way you need the demolition view and new work view in the same Phase because your confusing Revit Phasing with project phasing of how the work is going to be actually done.
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Well I need 4 for sure because that is how many different Phases the project will actually be built in.
So if you create thses phases: Existing, Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4 and Project Completion, then create a floor plan view which is set to Phase 2, Phase Filter is Show Previous + New and then create another floor plan view which is set to Phase 2, Phase Filter is Show Previous + Demo.
Then if you draw a section in the view set to Show Previous + New it shouldn't show up in the view set to Show Previous + Demo right?
I'm not sure what I'm missing or just misunderstanding what you are telling me.
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Well I need 4 for sure because that is how many different Phases the project will actually be built in.
So if you create thses phases: Existing, Phase 1, Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4 and Project Completion, then create a floor plan view which is set to Phase 2, Phase Filter is Show Previous + New and then create another floor plan view which is set to Phase 2, Phase Filter is Show Previous + Demo.
Then if you draw a section in the view set to Show Previous + New it shouldn't show up in the view set to Show Previous + Demo right?
I'm not sure what I'm missing or just misunderstanding what you are telling me.
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The reason that it shows up is that when you created the section mark in the view with the filter Show Previous + New set. The Section mark inherits the Phase and Filter setting from that view. Section marks can have both Phase and Filters set, where some objects can have only the Phase set. I can't verfiy that at the monment, i'm not at a Revit computer.
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Correct I have the section mark set to Phase 2 with a Phase Filter of Show Previous + New and its still showing in the demo plan (phase filter of Show Previous + Demo) which shouldn't show and New so why would the section marker be showing? I appreciate the help.
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Correct I have the section mark set to Phase 2 with a Phase Filter of Show Previous + New and its still showing in the demo plan (phase filter of Show Previous + Demo) which shouldn't show and New so why would the section marker be showing? I appreciate the help.
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If you were trying to draw new model objects that would be true. If you try and draw new model objects with that filter
set you should get a warning. You should also be able to place new text when that filter set also. Thought the text
annotation will be view specfic, it seems that whem placing Section markers. All views set to the same Phase inherit
the marker as thought it was created in that view. If you create annotation in a view and change the filter it has no effect
on the display of the text (i.e. annotation objects) which also includes Section Markers. That's the only reason I can see.
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