Forums >> Revit Building >> Technical Support >> Concrete columns behaviour before and after placing concrete beams

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

I have placed 4 concrete structural columns and 4 brick walls. See attached.

After placing concrete beams the hatch of brick extends through the columns.

I am using Join Geometry to flush again which is consuming a lot of time.

Does anyone have a work around.

Attached Images

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

teafoe5

site moderator|||

Joined: Fri, Nov 12, 2010
1749 Posts

Is everthing set at the correct elevations? Do you have wireframe turned on instead of hidden line?  Post an elevation view.

This user is offline

View Website

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

Please try with a new project. Place 4 walls, 4 Structural concrete columns, and concrete Beams and see what is happenning. I am attaching the revit model of the same.

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

teafoe5

site moderator|||

Joined: Fri, Nov 12, 2010
1749 Posts

This is happening because you have your brick walls running from Level 1 with an offset to -19' 0 89/256 and it goes up to Level 2 with a top offset of 66' 1 99/256"  Your walls need to stop at the bottom of the beam and at the column edges... model it like you would build it.

I believe you are working in Revit 2012, I only hav 2013 so I cannot add a project for you to open unless you have 2013.

Edited on: Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:59:51 AM

Attached Images

This user is offline

View Website

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

There is nothing to do with the heights of the walls, I copied from other project as is.

Ok I did as what u said, I stopped the walls below beams and to edges of columns.

What about the finishes, how they are going to cover the beams and columns?

How the Sections, Int. and Ext. Elevations look?

What if the level height increases later or columns move?

Please find the model attached for the same and clarify.

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

teafoe5

site moderator|||

Joined: Fri, Nov 12, 2010
1749 Posts

You can go into the wall structure, edit the structure, change the view to Section in the Edit Assembly dialog box and under Modify Vertical Structure clid MODIFY.  Zoom to the top of the wall in the dialog box and click on the material that you want to continue beyond the beam and UNLOCK them, then you can go into a section view in your plan and drag the finish to wherever you need it. 

"There is nothing to do with the heights of the walls"  In the first example you gave me your walls were running right through the beam!  So yes it does have to do with this, if you wall goes through your beam how do you expect Revit to not show it?

"What if the level height increases later or columns move?" You walls should be associated with levels so that if the levels change the walls will automatically update, that is a perk of working in Revit.  You can also align and lock you walls to the columns so that they move when the columns do. 

Attached Images

This user is offline

View Website

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

First of all I would like to thank you for your time on my clarifications.Your suggestion works for the small residence/villa.

I explain the situation, my project is residential apartment with 3 cellars, podium and 30 floors with 50 flats per floor.

A section cuts through 15 flats. The layout is typical from second floor.

Each wall has a beam above it, we can assosciate wall to the level if the level change it updates,but if the beam height changes we have to change all the walls in all the 30 floors again it is unproductive.

Regarding finish covering the beam, I know we can drag only finish line, but there are more than 1000 walls in this project, again I feel it is not productive.

Also aligning and locking walls to 1000's of columns consumes more time.Here how do you control wall finish covering the column in the plan if you stop the wall at the column edge.

If you see my first post my question was not the walls going through the beams,'After placing the beams my walls are running through the columns'.

So there is nothing to do with the heights of the walls.

Surprisingly the walls and columns looks fine before placing beams.

I have attached the model. In Level 1 two columns I have joined and I have joined all the floors, beams and walls in Section 1. I want my Section 2 look the same.

Bottom line is I want my columns properly flushed with the walls in the plans and beams flushed with the walls in the section.

Thanks again for your valuable time spending on my clarifications.

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

Does any one have any suggestions???

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

thiathio

active

Joined: Sat, Oct 19, 2013
0 Posts
No Rating

Pavan did you find an anwers or solution for this. I really need this too. I have the same issue. Thanks a lot of any help 

This user is offline

Pavan

active

Joined: Sat, Mar 19, 2005
157 Posts

Right now I am managing with 'Join Geometry' tool.

-----------------------------------

Pavan Reddy

Revit Manager

Intelligence is not always knowing the answers, it's always asking the questions.

This user is offline

Concrete Columns and Beams cuts through wall...

1

Auto Join Concrete Column & Beams

0

Beams won't intersect or close-up to Structural Columns. Solution ?

1

Concrete Beams

2

Concrete Beam, Column and Wall attachemnt

0