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Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:17:04 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Hi,

 

I have created a Mass Object which is a Curved wall then divided the convex surface to have 25 horizontal divisions and 6 vertical divisions. I want to add a timber cladding with a rebate to the base so created a 6 Point Adaptive Component and added the component to the 6 Vertical Nodes on the surface of the Mass and repeated it. All worked fine.

I then created a Void object to cut the top of the Mass Object to create a Curve in Elevation. The Void cut the Mass but not the Adaptive Components. How can I cut the Adaptive Components too?

If this isn't possible what other solutions are there?

 

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Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:42:27 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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A different workflow:

In a generic model adaptive template, draw an arc in plan, and create a form. Divide the form. Go to a pattern-based curtain panel template, and create a panel that represents the wood, with the reveal. Load this panel into the other family, and apply it on the divided surface. Now, make a void that cuts the divided surface with panels.



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:36:28 AM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Thanks for your reply,

 

I tried out your suggestion but the void would not cut the completed surface with the pattern-based curtain panels in place. I then created the arc form again but this time cut the Void first and then added the surface divisions and panels but the panels were removed to give a stepped effect rather than cut by the Void object. It appears that unless there is space for a full panel they are ommited. 

I have to achieve a curved surface rather than faceted so although an interesting method particularly if I get the panels to cut won't suffice for this project. I have attached the file and would appreciate if you can advise how you got the Void to cut the panels.

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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:37:02 AM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Yes, with the divided surface, the result will be a wall that is not really curved, but in segments. If the wall needs to be curved, this can be achieved by much simpler means. A profile, a sweep with that profile in a generic family, and a void :



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:36:21 AM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Thanks again,

 

I originally created an in-place family with a swept profile to form the shape which worked fine but to work more efficiently I moved on to adaptive components. I created a 6Point Adaptive component which gave me the curved effect but as mentioned in my original post the adaptive components didn't cut with a Void object.

You managed to get the adaptive components to cut when placed on a Divided Surface, when I tried cutting both the faceted and curved adaptive components that were placed on a Divided Surface they either didn't cut or a component was ommited where there wasn't enough space for a full component causeing a stepped effect. Did you do anything special to get the components to cut with a Void object when you placed them on the surface?

 

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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:31:06 AM | Cut Adaptive Components

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No need of sweep, create a "Stacked Wall" then an "In-place" void to cut the Wall.

 



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:42:25 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Hey, Typhon, I love your solution ! Very cool, now you have a wall type with the whole profile !I wonder if you could have used only one continuous profile, with all the ins and outs, as in the Sweep in one of the previous posts.

@Peter : the workflow that I used to cut the panels is explained in that previous post. But that solution will give you a segmented wall, that's way I suggested something different with an arc, and a sweep with a profile. But now we have Typhon's wall type, which is perfect, simple, and powerful. It allows you to cover an entire house with that wall type.

 



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:31:04 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Thanks Typhon, excellent solution which worked perfectly well.

Thanks again for your reply Alfmedina, The In-Place Family also worked. I am happy that your solution with the Adaptive Componet was segmented but I still couldn't get the segmented panels to cut with a Void Object. I followed your instructions; drew an Arc, created the Arc Form, divided the surface, added the curtain pattern based panel adaptive component, repeated the adaptive component and then used a Void Object to cut the panels but only the Arc form cut, the panels didn't which brings me back to the begining. Did your panels just cut with the Void Object as in your image? Could you upload the file please?

 

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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:40:16 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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In your steps, you said "...added the curtain pattern based panel adaptive component, repeated the adaptive component..." hold on there; why do you "repeat" the adaptive component? Are you putting one panel and then using the "Repeat" tool? That's not what I did. Maybe that is what you are doing different?

 



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:05:17 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Hi Alfmedina,

 

That's right. I place one panel then use the 'Repeat' tool to place the rest. Do you add each panel manually?


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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:13:22 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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Even by placing the panels individually without using the 'Repeat' tool only the Surface is cut by the Void Object, the panels are ignored. If I Insert the Mass Object in to a project I can add a 'Wall by Face' to each of the Adaptive Components and then cut the duplicated Wall objects with a Void Object but if it resorts to this, creating a Stacked Wall is the better solution...



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Why should you place a panel and then do "repeat" or place them one by one? A panel can be applied as a pattern to the surface. That's waht I did. Maybe that's what makes the difference with the void cutting or not cutting the form.


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...and, simplifying Typhoon's idea, it could be just one profile in a regular wall (not stacked), like this:



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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:53:06 PM | Cut Adaptive Components

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"Why should you place a panel and then do "repeat" or place them one by one? A panel can be applied as a pattern to the surface. That's waht I did. Maybe that's what makes the difference with the void cutting or not cutting the form."

I place the first Adaptive Component manually so I can achieve the Curved effect rather than Faceted effect. Using a multi-point Adaptive Component I can place it on Surface Nodes which allows the componet to follow the contour of the curved form creating an adaptive curved element and then 'Repeat' will repeat the adaptive curved element. This can't be achieved using a Curtain Panel Pattern Based Family without the component being faceted.

But yes, a Void will cut the 'Panels' when using a 'Curtain Panel Pattern Based Family' added through the Type Selector but not when using 'Generic Model Adaptive Components' added using 'Repeat'.

 

Your solution to use a 'Sweep' in a Basic Compound Wall is more efficient than creating a Stacked Wall but the 'Profile' in the Sweep doesn't cut with a Void unless the Void fully intersects the Wall. When cutting a Void from the Stacked Wall each segment has to be cut individually which is very time consuming but it will cut. This leaves me with the same problem I had with the adaptive components not cutting with a Void ObjectSmile

 

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Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:23:29 PM | designimpressions

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Quoting designimpressions from 2013-01-05 12:16:41

...Your solution to use a 'Sweep' in a Basic Compound Wall is more efficient than creating a Stacked Wall but the 'Profile' in the Sweep doesn't cut with a Void unless the Void fully intersects the Wall. ..."

 

Not really. The void does cut the wall and the sweep profile, but the profile must be "cuttable". Did you check "cuttable" for the profile?



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