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Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 5:49:36 AM | Flooring and Cladding Families

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How does one develop Flooring Families ( as in floor tiles, Stone Flooring slabs) to be hosted by the floor slab. These elements need to be seperate from the floor slab itself since there may be a variety of flooring finishes and each of them need to be defined and quantified in the schedule and quantities view during design documentation. similarly how does one develop wall cladding families ( such as wall tiles, stone cladding, wood cladding etc) to be hosted by walls. these elements also need to be seperate from the wall element for the same reason as in the case of flooring finish elements.

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Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 5:42:22 AM | RE: Flooring and Cladding Families

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You wouldn't want to model each floor tile seperately, so I place a finished floor of the thickness of the tile and morter bed on top of my structural floor. Give the floor a surface pattern of your tile for plan purposes and for rendering purposes assign it a material with the proper image file. Same goes for walls. If you have differnt finish types, then you have different wall types. There are still a few details and procedures to be worked out in the BIM/Revit world before this all becomes standardized. Check out this thread on AUGI for a similar discussion I've been posting to. http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=32230 Tom D. Post edited on 2006-01-17 23:42:54

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Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 6:17:40 AM | RE: Flooring and Cladding Families

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Tom, This is what I did... I created a tile family(wall based and another floor based) with type related parameter assignment for width, length and thickness. So for each type I use based on the project I am able to modify the parametric assignments and assign materials too. The method works fine where laying the tile is concerned. This method gives me the flexibility to use any pattern which is realistically possible. I find splitting the wall and modifying the profile a very ardous task when it comes to a tiling pattern involving a fair degree of complexity. I have now to figure out a method to create a schedule and quantities view for tiles/cladding material. Being a generic model I have to figure out the method of creating the schedules and quantities view Would you know how this is done? regards Kurian P.S. Revit is, in my opinion, a fantastic software. I am very new to it. I wish the help menu, tutorials and manual was more comprehensive.

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Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 8:35:18 AM | RE: Flooring and Cladding Families

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Kurian, you are not working smart with Revit... normally i would do what Tom is suggesting, create a compound floor with your slab,grout and tile finish, you can assign materials to each, in your case I would do it as a seperate floor that will sit on top of your slab, that way you can trim it to where ever you like. Same goes for the walls, though I would keep it as one element, a compound wall. otherwise, you are just creating way too much work for yourself Winking HTH, let me know if you need more info...

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Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 3:25:20 PM | RE: Flooring and Cladding Families

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Eldados, I have only once tried the creation of a compound wall, it works fine for the purposes of presentation. The moment I take the project into the documentation stage the schedules and quantities view indicates various types of compound walls and both in terms of volume and area. Very difficult for the contractor/builder to quote since their rates are worked on individual items such as brick work, plastering, tiling etc. Furthermore, would the method that you are suggesting be more cumbersome when it comes to revisions in tiling pattern, tile size etc. I am not going to ignore your suggestion. If I am working foolishly, I'd rather change. I will try out your method. By the way I have managed to incorporate the tile family I created in a multicategory schedule and quantities view. Thankyou regards Kurian

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Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:38:35 PM | RE: Flooring and Cladding Families

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Hey Kurian, don't mean to offend you when I say you are not working smart... Smile regarding schedule, all you need is wall area? there will be a little work involved in getting the right figure (if you have half plaster half bricks...) you could have 2 walls on top of each other if you really want (but i won't go there) regarding revision in your tiles, if all you are changing is the tile size, just update your hatch to show the new size. if you are talking about tiling in a certain order and pattern, I would just use NO hatch on the tile floor and use detail line for your pattern, better than laying indevidual tiles...

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