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Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 4:41:21 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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I've only begun learning RAC 2012 to produce a few concept drawings, but I thought I'd share my exeriences as a novice for others to learn by and enjoy.Attached is a the product of the last three weeks spent learning through videos, mistakes and fooling aorund with the basic concepts.  I'm never likely to go beyond this point.

 

Training - Videos

YouTube is an abundant source of great videos to view and learn.  Through them I found one particular source I have to recommend strongly:-

http://students.autodesk.com/?nd=revit2011_english - although this is for RAC 2011 the quality of the FREE download packs, the videos and the support material cannot be doubted.

Download the complete zip files if you want all three courses, with PDF support material, sample files and support objects.

NOTE: If you find it difficult to play the videos on your PC you may need a special TCSS codec for your video player. 

You can get this FREE to install on your PC from here: http://www.techsmith.com/download.html

 

Setting Up

First a little preparation, a couple of sketches to have an idea of what you're designing then spend a day laying out all the guides and grids you'll need for every level and every likely position on the design.

As mine consisted of an array of concentric circles on a bed of a grid, with additional offset angles and slopes, this was the first lesson. I didn't find a quick way to switch grids/guides on/off the way you find in numerous drawing packages.  Never mind, it was only a small issue.

 

Main Modelling

Having worked through the training lessons over the first two weeks, most of the first practical aspects of layout out and modifying the model were relatively easy.  I didn't rush it, but chose to take each topic slowly, carefully with plenty of time to step back and think about where I was going well or wrong.

For example, I came on the issue of curved curtain walls and researched it to find a lot of people seemed to have a similar problem.  After a little fooling around I solved it by creating a generic wall and adding it to my collection of curtain walls, thus:-

 

(a)  Take a generic wall, eg. concrete.

(b)  Duplicate it to create the new form - "My Curved Glass Wall" or something.

(c)  Edit its properties, replacing the concrete material with a glass layer, or double glazed multiple layers or glass and air barrier, and save it as "My Curved Glass Wall".

(d)  Create a curtain wall type, duplicating an existing one.

(e)  Make the panel material out of the "My Curved Glass Wall".

(f)  Layout the new curtain wall with its new panels - beautiful.

(g)  Ignore the fact that it cannot handle curved horizontal mullions - don't use them (or explain to everyone that they're the interior curtain rails). This worked very well for both the swimming pool and the outside walls.

 

If you look at the attached drawing you'll see I couldn't easily edit the pool walls around the side.  I think this is because I'd placed the windows in before trying to edit the profiles.  I might have been able to get the walls to match the pool floor after I'd reshaped it to fit the shallow and sloped sections of the floor.  Never mind, it created a nice alcove around the back for a gym.  I wasn't about to take the windows out after I'd spent so much time tugging and pushing them into the right places and shapes.

 

Imported Families & Modifying Them

I couldn't have done all this without the help of other people's objects, mainly the lower windows, pool diving board and poolside ladders.The windows fitted perfectly but the diving boards and ladders needed some adjustment.  This was just a matter of making a "My_Version..." copy of the original file, opening and editing where I could.  I've spent a couple of days repackaging them and put them on the downloads section for everyone else to enjoy.

The diving board I choose to alter and make slimmer and thinner than the original.

The pool ladders needed more steps, so after some study I created a parametric version with variable number of steps and height of each step.I hope you enjoy what I have produced...

 

MY Swimming Pool Steps/Ladder: http://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=12016

 

(based on this one: http://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=9054, with the help of this YouTube tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5MyzijIuco )

 

MY Swimming Pool Diving Board: http://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=12017

 

(based on this one: http://www.revitcity.com/downloads.php?action=view&object_id=10218)

 

Lifts

I didn't bother creating a full set of lifts when there is the useful plugin for it here:-

http://www.digipara.com/DownloadEARevit.aspx

 

It worked well at creating a simple standard lift, but I did find it difficult to place the square lift and its shaft inside the cylindrical shaft I'd already created to hold the lift.  It took a while experimenting with the lift to turn and place it against the side face and nudge it into position.

A tip - look down on your lift from the top floor, drag-to-highlight the lift and all its elements, then use the "move" and "rotate" controls on your "Modify" panel to get it into some appropriate position.

To expose the lift doors through the curved wall of the shaft and structure I used wall openings, copied down through the entire structure.  Doesn't look perfect but does the job well enough to satisfy my needs.

 

Sloped Walls, NOT

According to a lot of study on the fora RAC 2012 still doesn't support sloped walls.My alternative design for this structure needs a sloped lift sweeping up one side of the building so I can put the pool over the centre of the foundations for stability.  I haven't got that far but might try looking at using a very steep ramp or revert to the Mass tool and create the outside shell.  The lift will then have to be a self-built design or modify one produced from the plugin (above).No time for that now.

 

Topography

This was fun to learn and solve all the little problems.

Creating my own doodled landscapes took a couple of days then fitting them into place.  I noticed at first they sometimes appeared floating in mid air, but soon nudged them back to ground level.  Must have set them to a different level during creation.

The only problem I faced was the way a topographic surface cut through the design, the drive ramp to the underground garage appeared filled in, until I discovered the use of a pad to flatten the landscape.  After a little fiddling I got the pad, same size as the basement floor, down to the underground level, and this dragged the profile of the topography down with it!  Yipee!

To fill the hole in the topography above the pad, I created another copy of the basement floor lifted up to ground level, then edited to add a small surface coating of grass or whatever.  Similarly I added the driveway and small tarmac car park with another pice of floor on top of the ground level and aligned it to the longer driveway created on the topography.

 

Rendering

Why does the render function come with a teapot?

Did I miss something at teatime?  :-)

 

Either way the rendering comes in two forms:-

(1)  Render the currend 3d perspective view.  But this doesn't render with sky scapes, just the generic grey ground colour, so use steeper angles to look down on the design, and put some masking hills around your design with a handy bit of topography.Found out how to set a background gradient for this later, but it doesn't render.

(2)  Set up a 3D camera view (you were paying attention to the training videos?) and line it up to render that image - with a nice background skyscape. 

Interesting to see that the view, when rendered doesn't inherit the gradient background that you can set for views, and still shows whatever is the standard colour (grey) for the "ground" in the design.   Pretend it's the sea on the horizon.

There appears no way to change this background/ground plane colour, but it doesn't appear on images if you export a rendered image as a .png file - the grey becomes the transparent Alpha channel for the exported image.

Er, tried for printer quality output, but I don't have 10 terabytes of data capacity on my PC, maybe next time, or find the "gobble-your-hard-drive" option and switch it off?

 

Conclusion

Nice tool for design, a few irritations, but not something you can't live with or find ways around, just like every tool.

At the price this could do with a few tons of samples, support material, lots more families and objects to prime the user, plenty of better functions and more, but as the market is so limited and this kind of product is highly specialised we're never likely to get those wishes, until someone enters the market with a vastly more powerful, better supported, fully-provisioned pack of goodies.

 

NOTES: about the illustrations. 

It's for a commercial project, a few hundred homes around the world for select clients and consortia of investors.  Specailised luxury homes.  The design model I created is just one concept sketch and I didn't have enough time to add the roof, the off-centre domestic water tanks or any interior features.

Total time spent, learning, testing and producing all this - 21 days, part-time.

 

 



Edited on: Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:21:06 AM

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Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 4:44:14 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Sorry, but....

 

Don't bother complaining that the entire article is so dense.

 

I haven't found how to go back and edit it's formatting.


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Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:38:03 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Simply click on the chevron #1 and pick edit.  Then add some returns in that post.  Otherwise you won't get many readers.  I can't.


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Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:38:17 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Rendering

"Why does the render function come with a teapot?Did I miss something at teatime? "

No, just this.

http://www.littledetailscount.com/index.php/news/2010/03/08/autodesk-revit-teapot-render-button-36/



Edited on: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:44:24 AM

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Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:48:05 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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"I'm never likely to go beyond this point."

Could please provide me some further explanation of what you mean.

Thanks


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Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:28:34 AM | WWHub

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Quoting WWHub from 2011-12-24 08:38:03

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Simply click on the chevron #1 and pick edit.  Then add some returns in that post.  Otherwise you won't get many readers.  I can't.

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Thanks for the tip, I haen't come on that location for sooooo long in a fiorum I'd forgotten to look there! 

Amended a little now for easier reading...


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Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:33:25 AM | coreed

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Quoting coreed from 2011-12-24 08:38:17

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Rendering

"Why does the render function come with a teapot?Did I miss something at teatime? "

No, just this.

http://www.littledetailscount.com/index.php/news/2010/03/08/autodesk-revit-teapot-render-button-36/

Edited on: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:44:24 AM"

Fascinating history lesson, many thanks.

So, er, how many people have the tea set Family on their system?  :-)


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Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:43:30 AM | coreed

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Quoting coreed from 2011-12-24 08:48:05

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"I'm never likely to go beyond this point."

Could please provide me some further explanation of what you mean.

Thanks

"

Coreed,

I have very limited time and resources, not as a dedicated architect but to produce a series of conceptual ideas as part of a much larger world-wide programme of economic development.

This programme, the Commonwealth Prosperity Plan, is intended to arouse the attention of wealthy backers, sponsors, subscribers to contribute to a master programme of work revitalising the world economy at no financial cost or risk to all participants.

I set out at the beginning of December to learn the basic skills of Revit to present these architectural ideas (see illustration), which I now believe I've done to the minimum required for a suitable publicity campaign, offering suchlike homes free to sponsors (is a tax-efficient programme of financial development).

I've also set myself the challenge of learning the basics of Autodesk Alias Design/Automotive to produce a draft model for both a new high performance sport car inspired by the "Batmobile" from the recent "Dark Knight" Hollywood films and a lightweight sport aircraft.   Both will be available to supporters of the Prosperity Plan in the same way, full cash refunds with very efficient tax benefits, as a way to stimulate the circulation of cashflow for the construction, automotive and aerospace industries.

I'm already in contact with the design department of a local university to take my work further once I can supply them with the draft designs and a British sports car manufacturer with a view to producing the car when the design is complete.

Next step over the next couple of weeks is to begin raising money for further design and development work by offering current car models to sponsors.  Same offering - they receive a free prestige British sports car in exchange for sponsoring the first step in this plan.

 

And that's why I have so little time to devote to in-depth skills and work.

It's not a reflection on the quality of Revit.



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Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:46:28 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Best Of Luck with these projects. keep us updated if possible.


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Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:58:16 AM | coreed

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Quoting coreed from 2011-12-25 07:46:28

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Best Of Luck with these projects. keep us updated if possible.

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I'll try to, if I remember in all the rush.  :-)


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Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:49:45 AM | My Little Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Just one small update for everyone interested in my little efforts.

I have now begun a DRAFT (yes, a draft, not complete, be patient) web site to promote the architecture and raise funds for the next round of developments, all part of my larger strategy to try and stimulate new innovation in design, technology and lift the world out of recession.

It's here:  http://freehomes.sterlingsecure.co.uk

 

The web site will be rewritten and revised during the next few weeks.

 

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Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:01:08 AM | My LItle Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Thanks for the update.

 


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Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:45:42 AM | My Little Novice Review, on Set-Up, Modelling, Rendering, Topography, etc.

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Wow,  I just peeked at the two objects I contributed as part of my project, the swimming pool ladder and diving board (see links in my first note at the top).  Over three hundred downloads of the first and four hundred downloads of the second!

:-)

Look like I did something right?



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