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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:36:03 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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I have been using Revit for about three years in the office.  We have been rendering in revit since 2009.  We have 3ds max design 2012 but I only have limited experience with it.  Our client has many prototypes and we have to do renderings almost on a weekly basis.

We exclusively do exterior elevations and perspectives with the occasional night perspective.

Does anybody know of some good books or DVD's that deal with Revit 2012 and 3ds max, or just 3ds max design geared more towards Architecture?

 

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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 2:58:00 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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Max is a very deep program so this will be a bit of a learning curve.

3Ds Max 2010

Architectural Visualization

Advanced to Expert

 

By 3DATS

 

I dont own this but look at 

Realistic Architectural Visualization with 3ds Max and mental ray, Second Edition (Autodesk Media and Entertainment Techniques)

 

Focal Press; 2 edition (November 2, 2009)

 

Also Search Amazon books for 3ds max



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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:01:55 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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Oh ther is a beginer 

 

3ds Max 2008 Architectural Visualization: Beginner to Intermediate 

 

Evean though these ate not 2012 the concepts are the same. This one may not have the ribbon interface though.


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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:59:18 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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3DS max has some pretty good tutorials which may help



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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:28:33 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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^ Well I'll be

 

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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:04:34 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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"I have been using Revit for about three years in the office.  We have been rendering in revit since 2009.  We have 3ds max design 2012 but I only have limited experience with it.  Our client has many prototypes and we have to do renderings almost on a weekly basis." --> that means you will have to assign autodesk materials within revit, export to fbx, link that fbx into 3dmax via link manager, assign there the lights ( you can handle better that on 3dmax), and export with the setting "autodesk revit- do not combine entities" .. you always will have some last minute changes.

Only overwrite the materials with the "eyedrop" tool with the arch&design materilals only if its really necesary, you can lose a day or two tweaking the right material ( but it look pretty).

And as AbsoluteBIM recomends you, learn these topics

materials

lightining

texturing .. and some basic modeling .


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Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:52:05 PM | Inspector71

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Quoting Inspector71 from 2011-09-01 09:36:03

"Our client has many prototypes and we have to do renderings almost on a weekly basis."

 

 

if a client has a concept sketch they produced in 3Ds Max or any other program- let them render their own sketch to show you what they want.. if a client brings me a floor plan created with archicad- i'm not going to learn archicad just to see their floor plan better..


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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:36:02 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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^ how do you quote like this?

 

They have the standard prototype in Max.  We created it in Revit since our projects are rarely the protype footprint and it is so much easier to edit than in Max. 

 

Our client is vast.  They have their own fleet of architects but they do not do  any production work.  They design and develop the prototype with another large firm.

 

We basically get a project, the civil guys get the site developed, we make a few variations.  We then produce a Brand Package that we show to a group of businessmen and design managers that are concerned about how the adjusted building fits their Brand Standards.  After The site plan and branding is approved, we take it to the town.

 

Basically, they make the rules and we work with them.

We do have a 3ds max visualization team but they are mostly for our development group and not retail and definately not architectural.  They don't care for the exact precision of Revit.  The Branding board has declined our submission before because of one precast panel size.

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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:05:13 PM | Inspector71

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Quoting Inspector71 from 2011-09-02 07:36:02

"how do you quote like this?"

 

 

just click on that post number on the right of the comment title bar to quote..

 

honestly- and trying to be polite- i can't make much sense of what you are saying about much of any of it..  by "prototype" you must mean the concept sketch they create in 3Ds Max- or any other program like SketchUP or Bonzai 3D.. (revit also has a front-end concept sketch program built in).. this is the place where the building shape and appearance is first created- usually just the exterior.. once this sketch is rendered and looked at from all views and the client decides that's the building they want- then there is a contract to go forward with construction design- (with revit).. appearance and shape can further be modified and rendered in the construction design phase with revit..


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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:30:48 PM | vector25

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Quoting vector25 from 2011-09-02 11:05:13

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Quoting Inspector71 from 2011-09-02 07:36:02

"how do you quote like this?"

 

 

just click on that post number on the right of the comment title bar to quote..

 

honestly- and trying to be polite- i can't make much sense of what you are saying about much of any of it..  by "prototype" you must mean the concept sketch they create in 3Ds Max- or any other program like SketchUP or Bonzai 3D.. (revit also has a front-end concept sketch program built in).. this is the place where the building shape and appearance is first created- usually just the exterior.. once this sketch is rendered and looked at from all views and the client decides that's the building they want- then there is a contract to go forward with construction design- (with revit).. appearance and shape can further be modified and rendered in the construction design phase with revit..

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Got it.  Thanks

 

They have renderings sent to us in a package. What we provide for them is the renderings for actual project and all of its specific components. 

 

That is in the contract for us as Architecture of Record.

 

About every month, they provide graphic updates that we must implement when approved for our specific project.

 

Simply, I am just looking for tips on getting some good architecturally based 3ds max reading material.


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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:15:51 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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here you have a pdf that you might think interesting.


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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 8:53:07 PM | Inspector71

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Quoting Inspector71 from 2011-09-02 11:30:48

"What we provide for them is the renderings for actual project and all of its specific components. "

 

that's revit rendering..

 

but if you think you can get a better looking rendering by exporting to 3Ds Max instead of rendering in revit where the geometry already is and the rendering engine is the same- i don't think so- but some do chase that dream.. you can even chase that dream all the way to VRay via 3Ds Max..

 



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Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:36:16 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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it probably wouldn't be too hard to get hooked on VRay since it does render really good- but in the long run would you sell more of your revit work by transferring all that time of yours to those rendering programs that you really need for working in revit?

 

maybe i'll get lucky and this image will post..



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Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:07:20 PM | vector25

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Quoting vector25 from 2011-09-02 16:36:16

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it probably wouldn't be too hard to get hooked on VRay since it does render really good- but in the long run would you sell more of your revit work by transferring all that time of yours to those rendering programs that you really need for working in revit?

 

maybe i'll get lucky and this image will post..

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I don't mind rendering in Revit.  Our client has 11 other firms working for them and it is a competition.  My boss wants us to do exceptional in every aspect.


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Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:13:07 PM | Intermediate Revit user here looking for advice on 3ds max

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i really don't think VRay is better for rendering buildings- i think it might be better for rendering cars and glasses and things other than architecture.. i've said this before- that i think comparing these top rendering engines is like comparing a steinway to a bosendorfer- either one is great if you have a good song..


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