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Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 6:40:47 PM | Wall Recesses

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Does anyone now how to create a recess in a wall that does not cut all the way thru?

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Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 12:37:50 AM | RE: Wall Recesses

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Wow, Looks like your gonna keep the moderators busy. So many questions. I am a newbie too. Do you know about our friend Daryl to the North? http://www.dgcad.com/Revit8.htm Sam Spencer Auburn, CA P.S. Void sweep?

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Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 3:22:04 AM | RE: Wall Recesses

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2 ways to do it 1- if you just need one recess you can do it as an in place generic model using the void tools, solid void... remember to cut the void of the wall before you finish the family, otherwise Revit will complain the void is not cutting anything. 2 - if you are going to use a few of them, might be better to create an external family with parameters you can change (height width...) just create a generic wall hosted family and again use the void tool. sketch to where ever you want to cut to... let us know if you have problems achiving the above. HTH

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Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 3:32:10 AM | RE: Wall Recesses

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Excellent advice 'eldados' I would do it the same exact way.

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Thu, Dec 1, 2005 at 12:20:31 AM | RE: Wall Recesses

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I would suggest adding finishes/trims as required to the recesses if you make the leap to creating a family. I will save lots of time later. I've done the same thing with limestone sills/brick sills, etc. around windows and it's a wonder how much time it saves on the rear end.

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Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 2:30:28 PM | Wall Recesses

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I've been trying to cut into a wall using a void mass, a recess is created but when I go to finish mass this message appears (This Mass has no solid geometry for its Void Forms to cut. They must be deleted, or solid geometry added and cut.) so its deleted and the recess goes.

 Can help me with where i am going wrong


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Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 9:30:01 PM | buryassociates

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Quoting buryassociates from 2007-11-29 08:30:28

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I've been trying to cut into a wall using a void mass, a recess is created but when I go to finish mass this message appears (This Mass has no solid geometry for its Void Forms to cut. They must be deleted, or solid geometry added and cut.) so its deleted and the recess goes.

 Can help me with where i am going wrong

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as Eldados said above yuo have to cut the void out of the wall before you finish the family.

watch this tutorial on reveals with voids, the process is the same

http://www.cadclips.com/downloads/REVIT-9-DIAGONAL-WALL-REVEALS.wmv

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Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 11:46:47 AM | Wall Recesses

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cheers for the clip coreed, it was very helpful


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Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:21:19 PM | eldados

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Quoting eldados from 2005-11-29 21:22:04

"2 ways to do it 1- if you just need one recess you can do it as an in place generic model using the void tools, solid void... remember to cut the void of the wall before you finish the family, otherwise Revit will complain the void is not cutting anything. 2 - if you are going to use a few of them, might be better to create an external family with parameters you can change (height width...) just create a generic wall hosted family and again use the void tool. sketch to where ever you want to cut to... let us know if you have problems achiving the above. HTH"

I created the Generic Wall Based model....created the void.  Placed it in my project.  It sits right where it needs to be on my wall, but it just gives me the highlighted orange lines showing where the void is.  No actual recess in the brick.  Help please?  Sad



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Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:04:53 PM | Wall Recesses

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You probably would have been better off by a faced based instead of wall based but you can fix this.  You have to make sure that you set the void to cut the wall in the family and you have to constrain it in such a way that it works with different wall thickness.  (You can flex the model in the family to see how different wall thicknesses work) 

 

Face based models don't care what the thickness of the host is and are always on the face.  Your void may actually end up outside the wall or even behind the face of the wall.... In addition, you could then use this same family on almost any surface horizontal, vertical or at any angle.


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Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:49:00 PM | Wall Recesses

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Thanks so much!  The face based generic model worked.  It doesn't work with all the choices I've made up to this point, but for anyone else, it would probably be perfect.  The face of the void stops at the outside face of the wall, which is also where my GFRC band begins.  Even though it doesn't actually intersect with the GFRC band in the middle of the wall (A sweep I added to the structure of the wall type) it breaks the line.  Not what I wanted.  Sad  (Image 1)  But I know could always remove the sweep from the wall type and just make the sweep a generic model component.

In case anyone else has the same issue, I chose an entirely different approach.  I created a separate wall type with the recess added in the structure of the wall.  So a 4'-8" segment of wall with the 8" recess is actually 2' of Wall Type 1 (no recess), 8" Wall Type 2 (with recess) and 2' of Wall Type 1 again.  (Image 2)  That way it also keeps my brick as my exterior material and I don't have to go paint each recess.

Hope this is helpful.



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