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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:32:51 AM | historic construction slow-down

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you could understand construction slowing

way down during something like world war

2- but does anyone even have any theories

about why it slowed way down in 2008 and

has not picked back up?- after moving along

without any meaningful slowdowns for the

last 60 or even 100 years?.. something must

have happened..

in 1979 the stock market crashed big time and

everyone thought the world was coming to an

end- but still no construction slowdown.. there

were several much worse economic problems in

the last 60 or 100 years- but still there was no

construction slow-down like there is now..

no one knows why this happened- but then again

no one uses logic to understand things either..

the only way any building can get constructed

is if somebody invests money in that building..

and ever since modern construction began a little

over 100 years ago- nobody could go wrong owning

a building.. but was that always the case? was

that the case when they built buildings by hand

with mud?

the point is- it all depends on the WAY buildings

are being built..

is it just a coincidence that construction crashed

at exactly the same time everyone recognized that

buildings will no longer be constructed anything

like they've been constructed for the last 100 or so

years? that the big revolution going from building

buy hand with mud to building from lines has now

come to an end? (deniers or not)..

autodesk resellers are reporting that AutoCAD for

architecture- (construction by lines)- is dead- and

that the new virtual construction is what we have

from here on..

right now no one will invest one dime in a building

constructed from lines..

so the problem is- right now there is a "vacuum"-

because the new way of construction is not up and

running yet- it's too complicated for anyone to

learn this fast.. but once the implementation starts

happening- money will be gushing into buildings-

REAL buildings- MODERN buildings.. not "mud"

buildings built from lines..


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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:39:02 PM | historic construction slow-down

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It's wither that or the fact that in 2008 the real estate bubble popped, taking the rest of the economy with it. New construction hasn't really recovered, but then the economy hasn't really recovered either (both have started to come back, but I don't believe either one has really come back strong). Personally, I'm leaning towards the 'nobody has the money or confidence to build' theory.


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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:38:38 PM | historic construction slow-down

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kennedy- if you look at the building permits issued in the united states for the past 60 years you will see that there has never been anything but a mild down-turn that never lasted more than six months.. construction has been down by 3/4 for nearly 4 years- that is totally something different than an economic problem.. without anyone having an explanation- my best guess is that it is due to this "paradigm shift" in the way buildings are built.. anyone who would want to own a building today knows that the CAD method of constructing buildings accounted for 12 billion dollars a year wasted.. we all know now that the famous quote- "CAD will never amount to a hill of beans"- is correct.. the need for space cannot stop unless the population growth stops.. and in the US that growth is still going up on the chart at nearly a 45 degree angle.. i live in a california town of 300,000 and the only thing that has been built in the last 3 years is a hospital and a large retail center- both done with revit..


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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:39:19 PM | historic construction slow-down

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It's mostly just an economy thing.  Slowdown is by region.  In my part of the US there's still plenty of work.  It's lucky and not guaranteed to last--but federal, state, municipal, and private projects are still coming up.


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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:31:53 PM | historic construction slow-down

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1: BIM (and Revit by extension) doesn't have enough of a hold on the market to have this large of an effect.

 

2: If investors are really so leery of BIM that they won't put any money into it, architects would be dropping it like a hot rock. If an architect even heard a rumor that someone with cash was saying "I'd like to build something, but I really don't trust this BIM whatchyahoosit" he'd be uninstalling Revit so fast it'd make your head spin.


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Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:16:59 PM | historic construction slow-down

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kennedy- look at it from this angle- if you wanted to be a building owner of a newly constructed building- you for sure would not buy into a building that was constructed the old way and with the old bid-build CAD approach.. there is no life-cylce building managment with the old way- the old way has produced 12 billion a year in loses.. and as a building/owner/investor wouldn't you WAIT until more BIM projects became available? isn't the money waiting for the BIM people to get it together? and judging how far along BIM is by what is being posted here in this gallery- i would say the money still has some more waiting to do.. what don't you see in this picture?


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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:53:09 PM | historic construction slow-down

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Sorry, I misread where you were going. I thought you meant investors didn't want anything to do with BIM. It's definitely an interesting take on the issue. I don't know that I necessarily agree with it, but it's worth considering at the very least.

 

On a related note, I don't know what you changed between your first post and your last, but your last is much easier to read (it's actually wrapping correctly). Most of the time your posts end up being a long 1.5" column of text, very difficult to read and understand.


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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:07:46 PM | historic construction slow-down

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kennedy- yes it's an "interesting take".. that's why i started with "does anyone have any theories".. as for the length of these lines- count the number of characters and spaces from left to right- and then compare that to ANY where else text would be formatted.. start by looking at how newspapers have always been printed.. if newspapers would have had the text going all the way from left to right on the page- the papers would have been so hard to read they never would have sold any newspapers.. look at magazines- any of them- when would you ever see text going all the way from the left side of the page to the right side of the page? none.. look at Word or Word Pad and notice even by default the column margins put text in the middle of the page and not all the way from the left side to the right side.. proper text formatting is needed because if the lines of words are extremely long like this then it's hard to find the right line of words with your eyes to start reading again from the left.. my english teacher would have given me an "F" on any paper i turned in with this many words going from left to right.. and some of my teachers would have just tossed it in the trash and never read any of it.. revit city is one of the very few places i have ever seen that promotes this nonsense- (among other things)- lol.. try going to another forum.. take revitforum.org for example.. you will not see anywhere close to this many words going from left to right by default.. revit city is homegrown silliness- but that's part of what i like about too..



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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:51:12 PM | historic construction slow-down

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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:29:13 PM | historic construction slow-down

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investors are not dumb- or they wouldn't have

any money to invest..

 

read this again for anyone who can see the

point i'm trying to make: "right now no one will

invest one dime in a building constructed from

lines"..  Cryinglines meaning the old bid-build CAD

method that has wasted 12 billion a year)..

AND "because the new way of construction is not

up and running yet".. (the new way meaning BIM)..

 

is this written too poorly for anyone to understand?

should my english teacher give me a low grade for

not getting my point across?

 

but again- it's just a theory.. just a revit related

topic for discussion..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:38:08 PM | historic construction slow-down

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on that message above- why is that word

"crying" there with a red X messing up

my paragraph?

 

HEY! i got an idea- why don't we at revit

city call in a professional and get all this

stuff fixed? seems like a great idea to me..


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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:47:10 PM | historic construction slow-down

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also while we are on this diverted topic of

fixing stuff at revit city- why not fix only

being able to post one comment in the

gallery out of six attempts?

 

in other words- 5 out of 6 times you try to post

a comment in the gallery- your lovely comment

gets sent into deep space and is never seen

again..


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Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:50:39 PM | historic construction slow-down

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see why i get banned so much- they

can't stand it.. lol  but i love it because

i got truth on my side..


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Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:01:52 PM | historic construction slow-down

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The answer is multi faceted and cannot be nailed down to one thing in particular.  As for your WW2 comment, you should realize that WW3 began when the allied forces invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, and this war has already been going on longer than WW2, it's only semantics and propaganda that says otherwise.  We are also witnessing the collapse of an empire, which could rightly be called the Fouth Reich, 'Reich' being the German word for Empire.  Much like the collapse of Rome and the Third Reich, our culture has de-evolved into a bunch of spoiled brat rich kids with no work ethics and expectations of government handouts.  Why work a construction job when you can live on food stamps and free government housing?


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Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:08:44 AM | historic construction slow-down

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thank you rod- but instead of having a discussion about something of the utmost importance to revit users- they come in and muddy-up the thread- happens all the time..


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