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Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:20:39 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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I am curious if anyone has found a compatibility issue between Revit Structure 2012 and Revit Architecture 2011? I know that there is no backward compatibility within the same build of software. In other words, is there a problem if the trades are using different releases and then sharing models? Do we all have to have the same release? (side note: it would be really dumb if that were true. Say it aint so).


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:07:42 AM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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you all have to be on the same release.


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 1:12:10 AM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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crwin-

 

i use revit 2011 in my residential design drafting business and

i've known all about compatibility issues for five years- and i'm

staying with 2011 permanently and i'm ready for any compatibility

issue that comes up.. if i need a consultant to do some revit work-

they can deliver that work back to me as an IFC file if they are using

a newer version.. many revit users will stay with 2011 as was

predicted would be the final fulfilment of everything revit ever

wanted to be.. the program is ten years old and finally complete

as of 2011..

 

try to steer clear of the autodesk propaganda- they are only

there to make money..


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:08:42 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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I'm sorry vector but you are absolutly wrong.  Every release of Revit has been an improvemnet over the previous and 2012 has considerable improvements for MEP.  We are on subscription and we will goto 2012 soon just because of this.

 

The fact that Revit does not have to maintain backward compatability allows the program to be written in the most efficient way.  They can change rules as they need to to improve the product. 

 

If you don't work with consultants, you could sit on a version for awhile but if you do very much work at all, this just doesn't make sense. 


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 3:22:24 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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Trying to stick to the OP here and forget about Vector...

 

As far as compatibility issues go, the user in 2012 will have the advantage...as you are aware of not being able to go backwards.

 

The real issue comes into play with how the two files interact with each other. You can export to IFC as Vector mentioned but I will speak from much experience...IFC is a joke and our company will not allow it. To emphasize this point, we are doing a very large airport project and the JV specifically listed in the RFP that an IFC export is not allowed and mandated that all trades MUST be in the same version of Revit.

 

The problem is the team using 2011 can't interact with the 2012 model...can't link it in or anything. This means some form of translation has to occur for the 2011 team. The issue here is regardless of the translation method (IFC, DWG, NWD), etc.) data is lost and the interaction between the models becomes unintelligent.


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:43:38 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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"many revit users will stay with 2011"

 

You're the only person I've seen say this, and I work with quite a few Revit users in different fields. The only time I ever see a project not upgraded is when one team member doesn't have the newest version yet, and then a time limit is given for upgrading. In fact, I just got off a conference call a few minutes ago where upgrading was discussed. Embarrassingly enough it's my firm that is lagging, but that will be fixed in the next couple of days.

 

"as was predicted would be the final fulfilment of everything revit ever

wanted to be."

 

By who? I've never seen that anywhere, not even from Autodesk.

 

"the program is ten years old and finally complete

as of 2011."

 

Not. Even. Close.


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Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:42:06 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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i suppose it's the old CAD mentality.. as long as the CAD people

wanted to keep that rusty old pickup truck (ACA) running-

autodesk would take their money.. but the truth is- ACA is so

bloated it's nothing but trouble- it's TOO OLD..

 

i'm not saying Revit is too old at ten years- it's just that the

program is mature and has completed its basic goals..

sure there will be some good idea features added to it-

but it will now start to be at the cost of performance..

and if they can't find a good idea feature for a new

release- they will add "marketing" features- that are

not needed.. (doesn't anyone know who autodesk is?)

 

do we really need ambient acclusion that doesn't

work properly anyway? did we really need to see an

image of the sun to set its position? i'm not into

identifying bloat or i could really list them- but you

get the idea.. and does the ribbon sell revit faster

to the beginners? do beginners know that the 

ribbon takes EXACTLY twice the time to get the

program ready to work in- load- as the native UI?

that's not just a minor trade-off for the wonders of

navigating muiltiple groups of jumbo-sized icons-

it means twice as long getting ready to work..

test the two UIs with 2011 and prove it to yourself..

 

as for everyone using the same release- of

course- everyone in my company uses the

same release.. but if we want a consultant

to modify something on our revit sheets

who may be using bentley architecture or

ACA or some other revit release- we just

use IFC- joke or no joke.. lots of things in

this world are a joke- just look at some of

the revit city moderators.. lol.. bless their

hearts though..

 

 

BTW- the 2012 ribbon takes EXACTLY the same time

to load as it did for 2011.. and the 2012 ribbon is just

as much the same ribbon as it was for 2011.. and the

2011 ribbon was the same as the 2010 ribbon that

ALL the revit experts agreed was not suitable for revit.. lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:33:11 AM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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some of you people would probably be right IF the

american people would have supported "change"

to an autocratic society where private companies

are eliminated and autodesk is nationalized and

given authority to order all revit users to use

what they tell them to use and pay them thousands

of dollars every year..

 

fortunately those people have been defeated and

i still have my company and now i have revit 2011

that i've been waiting for all these years..

 

but even convinced against their will- they are of

the same opinion still..

 

 


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Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:57:25 PM | Release Compatibility Structure - Architecture - Etc?

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Thanks for the colorful replys everyone. It's unfortunate that there is not a backward compatability. I understand that there added features and such, but it seems that it would be very easy to create ways to have backward compatability. It would just make more sense. Or simple have updates or service releases instead of a whole new package. It is a little gimmicky. Anyway, I will survive. Thanks so much again everyone.


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