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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:33:54 AM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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just took a look at my ceiling plans for the first time and noticed that all my labouriously aranged wall joints are all messed up, insulations go past walls, walls are unjoined or are different leghts. my walls consist of a 3-5 layers aranged so they join in plan and section without too many problems.

 

so is there a way to do wall joints properly or ceiling plans properly?


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:45:03 AM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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just took a look at the ceiling plan from the 3d crop view and this problem doesent exist there. so its nothing to do with the model...


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:12:49 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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Some images would help us understand your problems.


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:30:03 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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the first image is the ceiling plan, the second image is the floor plan and the third image is the 3d view.



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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:03:46 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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Do you have unlocked layers on these walls that you have manipulated height wise?  If so, the check your cut plane elevation.


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:19:32 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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i have just checked from wall properties if the layers are unlocked. some of them are unlocked but when i look at the walls from the 3d view there isnt any paart that is like the ceiling plan. i have also changed the cut plane of both floor and ceiling plan to see if they change at all. there doesent seem to be any coralation between the two joints.


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:57:51 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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OK. i used dissalow join to make my walls join properly. it seems that the ceiling plan doesent see this action at all. and even worse, when i make a section through that part of the wall the section is like the ceiling plan. the dissalow join comand doesent work for ceiling and sections...


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:07:45 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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Cut sections through the offending walls at the problem area and look there.

 

Also play with your cut plane in the RCP and see what happens.


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:10:03 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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You " used disallow join to make them join properly"  <<< DOESN'T MAKE SENSE  Don't do that if you want them to join correctly.

 

Did you edit the profile of these walls?  If so, that can create wall cleanup issues.


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:24:14 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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did that,  the section shows the same thing as the ceiling plan, insulation and bricks intersecting the foundation walls even though they are set lower in terms of priority in the layers...

 

it is as if the ceiling plan and the floor plan have different models. i cant get the same join in the floor plan

 


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:54:09 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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your correct, try this:  Create a view template from your floor plan, then apply that view template to your reflected plan.  The object is universal, your wall joins transcend views, thus it has to be something in your view.  Also check the wall join display, make sure this is the same in RCP as it is in FP...


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:02:55 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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View templates will not work for this!

 

I do not understand this :> "insulation and bricks intersecting the foundation walls even though they are set lower in terms of priority in the layers..."  Again ... a graphic pointing to what you are saying will help.  A section does not show wall cleanups!  I wanted you to cut a section to see if the wall layers were stretched. 

 

 


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Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:30:02 PM | do walls join differently in ceiling plans for you?

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no the model shows two different things. the plan and section arent the same.  the square hatched wall is set as substrate and the hatched wall is set as structure. every thing looks fine in the floor plan but not at the ceiling plan and section.

 

the fix to this that i have to re do all the wall joins again. but shouldent the floor plan and ceiling plan be the same?  and why include a command as dissalow join if it doesent actually do that in the ceiling plan. so i still dont know withc one of these is what i actually drew. the 3d view is the same as the floor plan, the section is the same as the ceiling plan



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