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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:04:25 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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So i created a window wall system using nested face based frame families so i could join geometry them.  The issue now is that when i load my window into a project the frame head is showing in the plan view and makes it look wrong.  The visibility settings need to remain on plan/rcp for the sill and head otherwise the head wont show in the rcp and sill wont show in the floor plan.  So if i cant use visibility settings to trun it off what can i do?  The other question is why is my window head showing at all?  The cut view plane is set well below the head in the middle of the winodw.  Any help would be great thanks, The only thing i can guess is happening is when you join geometry the head to the jambs, the view wants to show the entire system not just what is cut.  Thats my theory but im not sure of a good alternative solution.


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:13:56 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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We all learn....

Several possible problems.  If this nested family sweeps around the window, and if it is not a cuttable family category, then the entire family will show if any part of it is in view .... that includes invisible lines.

 

Make sure in your window family that the plan cut plane is below the head.  (DON"T ASK ME WHY - REVITISM)


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:26:28 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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ok this is probably a dumb question but is there a way to set the view depth in a family plan view? I know i can make the window higher but i would prefer to control the view depth.


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:28:23 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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Also the head is not a part of the jamb family they are two nested familes into one then joined but im assuming that once they are joined they will act as one and the same visual issue remains.. 


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:46:09 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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Ok i think i found a work around.  Its too bad visibility does not seperate floor/rcp setting into seperate conditions, that would resolve this easy.  My solution though temporary is to use masking regions to represent the sill and head and turn those off in the visibility for plan/rcp. 


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:12:19 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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Have you tried using Plan region on the particular view?


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Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:26:40 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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Yesi checked that as well.  Regardless of the view depth in the project if the elements are joined and set in visibilty to show in plan/rcp the window will look wrong.  The second i turn the visibilty for those views off the mullions etc show. 


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:16:11 AM | window head showing in floor plan

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You should not have to do all of this.  The problem is caused by how you built your family.  Someone here might be able to help if you posted it. 

 

Because the family environment and the project are different, before you invest huge hours in a family like this, you need top test your concept and that includes in the project.


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:14:18 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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How else could i have built this better?  Building the components inside one family rather than nesting makes the family very slow to load and very slow to adjust or update so its inefficient.  You can only join geometry nested face based families so how would you propose i have done this better? 



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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:47:55 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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quinn,

 

I load your window to the new project file and i don't see the plan view has the head shown up.

I see only the sill and the vertical mullion.

 


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:58:15 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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Thats because i fixed it.  I turned off the head and sill visibility for plan/rcp and put in masking regions as a suppliment.


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 4:05:04 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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disregard the horizontal mullion in the family that in fact you can delete it upon review that is a work in progress item.


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:03:11 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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I spent a whopping 1 hour building this with testing in a sample project thats a "huge" amount of hours there....  and upon testing this in a sample project found the visibility error, hence why i posted here.  Isn't the point of this specific forum for people to post questions on issues they have ran into they couldn't resolve or discovered? How about i speed this question up rather than discussing symantics.

1) What family should i have used instead of a face based nested family to prevent the visual issue and still be able to join geometry and array the mullions?

2) How can i change the visual depth of a plan view in a family?

3) Why is visibility settings for an element restricted to plan/rcp rather than having them seperated? Edited on: Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:12:08 PM



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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:17:29 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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make sure the view depth is the same in both family and project.

if that doesnt work then set the geometry thats showing in plan to a sub category in the family.

this will make it to where you can hide that geometry with "VV" under window category.


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Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 5:51:27 PM | window head showing in floor plan

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how do i know what the view depth is in a family?  My plan depth is default 4'.  My head geometry or element is set above the view depth of the plan view in my family.  The geometry when joined shows the entire frame not just where its cut and below.

If i assign the elements to a subcategory then i will have to turn that off in my views.  I would prefer to use masking region in the family that are automatic visual clarity than having to manage subcategory vie setting per plan view in my project.  


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