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Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:19:49 AM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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hi,im very troubled creating a door with sidelight wherein i can turn on and off its sidelight. it seems i'm wrong in creating the model but i did one,but when turning off the sidelight it seems it doesnt clean up and it shows a void on my door panel. hope to get help from you guys! thanks!


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Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 2:32:07 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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You can do this if you want but I personally think it is a mistake.   Multiple function familes really don't save much in project size if at all.  And they are very hard to modify and debug.   

 

We would have to look at your family to see where your problem is.


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Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:50:18 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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I am developing families at a new firm, and utilizing nested families for both Swing Types (Egress, Emergency, Generic) and Door Panel Types (Vision, Full Glazing, etc...).

 

Am getting to the point now of adding sidelights, and i have thought about just making this a seperate family. But if i go that route, then i lose the different visibility type parameters of my nested families and essentially have a generic door with sidelights. I would agree with you WWHub that it doesn't save file size, and that they are hard to de-bug. But the advantage of only managing one family is nice versus 5-10 is nice.

 

Wondering how you have your door families set up.

I have based my families based on the type of Door (Double, Single, Pocket, Sliding) and my types on the different variations (Egress Vision 72" x 84" NR, Emergency Full Glazing 72" x 84" 1HR). Also going to be utilizing type catalogs.


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Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:06:19 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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My doors are single - double - single w/sidelite, my vison panel doors are all one family with vision panel from full lite to narrow lites, all doors have rating capability by parameter.  I have these same doors with masonry frames (fame size variable and locatable within the wall) and the drywall frame doors are a seperate set of families. 

 

Is that too many families to maintain.... I haven't found it to be. 

 

No type catalogs.


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Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:28:05 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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Same as wwhub for doors.  Back to arkimak, the issue that you are running into is that the opening is still large enough for the sidelight, even though the sidelight is no longer there.  To solve, you'd have to write some equations for the opening size, add a parameter which is the true opening size, then do as follows:

if(Has SideLight, Door Opening Width + Side Light Width, Door Opening Width)

You'd put this for the parameter that actually drives the opening width.

Once again though, I think you will find it better and easier to have a family for every type of construction, instead of trying to put it all into one...  What will you do when you have 2 sidelights?  One on either side?  The one on the left is shorter than the one on the right...  Accounting for all of these differences will require a lot of functions as the one I wrote up above, and IF you make a tiny mistake in one, it becomes a nightmare to find.

One last thing while we are on this topic, make sure that your doors all share a common origin point!  I learned this the hard way, was letting a pupil create some of our door families, and he decided that he wanted the insertion point to be the swing side of the door, vs. the center of the door as my families had been created.  When we started swapping doors around in our door schedule, we were dismayed to find that doors had shifted around in the model!  So however you create it, make sure that you create it the same across the board so you can swap one family out for another with ease!

 

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Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:58:34 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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You have the visibility of the Swing Panel Type/Fire Rating as instance parameters?

And thanks for the quick response.


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Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:38:03 PM | Door with on/off sidelight visibility

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This depends on how you want it scheduled... If you want these to be different between items on the schedule, i.e.- a door type as follows:  Flush Hollow Metal Door w/ Sidelight, then I'd use them as type parameters.  But if you want a door which has a sidelight, and a door which doesn't to be the same type on the schedule, then use instance parameters.

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