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Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:39:04 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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I'm having trouble finding an acceptable way to model a wall to an industrial unit that comprises,

 cladding / sheeting rail/ blockwork wall  

I've tried modelling it as one wall with an air gap to simulate the sheeting rail zone but this air gap, when cut in section, is 'visible' and hides the cavity face of the structural column that is in the background but should be seen. If I model the cladding and the blockwork as separate walls it solves the masking problem but it means twice the placement work and doors won't cut both elements.

 In the attached screen shot you can see how the air gap associated with the wall obscures the column beyond.

What's the best way to go about this? 



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Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:19:53 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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you have two solutions to this

(1) Add a profile to that wall. You will need to calculate that profiling for every sheet., and add a last one(cutted) on the top.

(2) Create a profile detail, load it into a line-based detail family. Its much better for low performance computers, like mine. You can add a  custom pattern to simulate the shert on surface.


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Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:35:06 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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thanks for the feedback but I'm not sure I understand you and maybe my original post isn't clear - hopefully this annotated picture will help explain the problem

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Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:43:59 PM | nastyclown

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Quoting nastyclown from 2010-12-01 14:19:53

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(1) Add a profile to that wall. You will need to calculate that profiling for every sheet., and add a last one(cutted) on the top."

 

If I'm reading this right, I think nastyclown is proposing you add a sweep reveal to the wall definition, that will use a profile mase to match the space you're presently defining as "air" in your wall's basic layer definition. This'll create the "void" in the wall - but seems quite a model-heavy way to do it.
 
There is the option of splitting the "air" layer into further parts to "suggest" the column using the cut-lines of the wall itself in section, or take shallower sections so the columns needn't appear altogether?
 
 
"Air" has always been one of those things in Revit I've always had a bit of love/hate thing for - it's nice to automatically keynote "50MM CONTINUOUS AIR GAP" but it'd be even nicer to see down the void... I've not played with it lately, but how does using transparent materials work in these situations in 2011 these days?
 

 

NB: Not sure what the text formatting is doing here!? I've always found the forum a bit flaky in that regard.Edited on: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:44:30 PM

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Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:31:36 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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Yes, indeed is a sweep reveal. And its going to depend on the proyect, if its industrial architecture, then the sweep reveal way will pull down the overall performance of the proyect.

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Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:56:16 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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It seems that the issue is having the column display.
Why not have the wall going floor from GFL to roof level (or whatever Levels it needs to) then if you cannot see the column at all 1) Make the wall transparent using 'overide in view' then 2) Make the column visible through the wall using the 'show hidden lines' tool (it'll show up as a solid line as the wall's invisible), then 3) Change the visibility of the wall back to normal & voila the column shows up dotted behind (ie: through the wall)

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Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:48:07 PM | Best way to do cladding + blockwork liner?

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Thanks for the responses guys. The idea of sweep reveal is interesting and one I hadn't considered but, like you say, I'm not sure how much of a hit this will have on model performance.

 This example was just a little test I did for a larger project and, in the end, I've decided to model the external and inner leaves as separate walls. Where we have openings for doors I've created a simple void forming family to cut out the hole in the inner leaf to match the door size on the outer leaf. This works quite well and allows me to form deep reveals (part of the void cutting family) that can be a different thickness to the wall, which is not an uncommon detail.


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