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Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 8:57:13 PM | section callouts

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I like to detail my sections then do call outs to show them in larger scale and more detail.  The only problem I am having is my call outs show up without all the detail elements I already put in.  Is there a way to make a callout of a section and have the detail elements in the section automatically show up in the calloutor is copy and past aligned my friend?  Kind of like duplicating with detailing but as a callout?

 

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:10:26 PM | section callouts

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Maybe duplicate the section as as a dependent, change the scale and crop region, place the new view on a sheet and then Reference other view: it with your callout? Not sure if this is exactly what you're trying to accomplish, but sounds like it. You may also need to consider using detail groups to preserve the added detail at larger scales.

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:13:54 PM | section callouts

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Don't use a dependent view!

Just window the view you are calling out from, copy to clipboard the detail elements / notes - any 2D stuff you added and paste same place in the call-out.  You can do that in reverse if you added it in the detail and now ant it in the parent view.


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:29:57 PM | section callouts

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I would make a detail group before copy and paste, so you can edit it in one place and reuse. What's wrong with dependent views for this application?

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:28:50 PM | section callouts

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dbillings3 - In your HELP under the topic "Duplicate Dependent Views", read this >> Dependent Views and View Properties

 

Groups work fine for multiple placement of model elements or detail elements in multiple views but if you add annotative elements like dimensions, text or tags, then groups do not work well across different view scales because of placement.

 

So you can group detail lines and detail components if you want....


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:52:18 PM | section callouts

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Sure, but Aaron does not mention annotative elements. The annotations should be specific to the larger scaled view. I've read the help file It says to use dependent views for plan views, elevation views, section views, and callout views. You seem to be against this. I just want to know why.

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:16:56 PM | section callouts

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I'm not against you at all .... just trying to grow you.  The HELP is great if you learn to use it.  Looks like you did not read what I suggested.  Here it is directly out of the HELP>>

 

A dependent view inherits view properties and view-specific elements from the primary view. Synchrony is kept between the primary view and dependent views for the following view properties:

  • View Scale  << FIRST ONE ON THE LIST
He wants a detail view AT A LARGER SCALE !

 

Beyond that, you will discover that dependent views are great for split plans / elevations and some other applications but watch out!  There are drawbacks that you will discover on your own.  Please look again at the other items on the list of properties held and not held by dependent views.


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:57:30 PM | section callouts

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I appreciate that you are trying to teach me something. I just can't understand what it is. The help file is not completely accurate. You can indeed change the scale of a dependent view. That is the first inaccuracy in the help file on this topic. Please try it yourself. You will see. I've been using dependent views to solve problems that are not defined in the help menu. After using design software for twenty years, I know that everything isn't always in the help file. You sometimes have to think outside the box, as with your masking region/title block trick. You say that there are drawbacks to using dependent views, but I have not encountered this. I was hoping that you could be more specific. I am not against you either. I just want to compare technique and hammer out the differences. No offense intended.

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:22:55 PM | section callouts

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dbillings - do this please....

  1. Goto your floor plan.  Mine would be 1/8" scale
  2. Start a new project and just do 4 walls in a simple square.  
  3. Duplicate this plan as a dependent view
  4. In that dependent view, change the scale to something like 3"
  5. Now switch back to the plan view and tell me what scale that is now!

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:53:38 PM | section callouts

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Point taken. But you can change the scale and preserve the added detail elements and annotation without copy/pasting anything. I was suggesting this as a way to create the larger scale detail, not neccessarily preserve the original view. After you create this larger scale, fully detailed view you have to right-click and convert it to an independent view and then switch the original view back to original scale. Super flexible and legit way to duplicate the detail elements and annotation to the enlargement if that's what you want to do. Thus back to my other point that creating a detail group for the detail elements added to the model would allow you to avoid having to change the detail in two locations. I think you suggested to just copy/paste aligned the elements from one view to another. Do you like to do things the hard way? You've yet to explain the drawbacks that you've discovered in using dependent views. I'm beginning to think you just haven't used them much.


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:07:40 PM | section callouts

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Instaed of doing all that ...dependent view - change scale - make independent, why not just copy with detailing and change scale?.... actually - both of those are bad.  Use the callout and copy paste as I suggested earlier.  Then you have the callout in the plan without having to use the "reference other view" option.

 

Regarding the detail elements.  I typically reserve my detail elements for DETAIL views.  Not saying all the time but typically, I don't ever add a detail element in a small scale view.  The model elements are good enough for that view so I usually only add the detail components tothe enlarged detail. 

 

I think people tend to forget that they are zoomed in on that 1/8" scale plan.  They add a detail element that should only be in a detail view.  The result is a blob in the plan where the element is.   That is why we have coarse / medium / fine settings for plans.  Too much detail results in confusion at small scales.

 

Keep working at it... your doing ok.



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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:26:42 PM | section callouts

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billings,

 

BTW - You wrote "..After using design software for twenty years, I know that everything isn't always in the help file...."

 

I started with AutoCAD 2.6 and I know how bad HELP files can be.   REVIT is pure joy in that regards but you need to learn how to find things.  Use the search with single words.  If you can't find it, think of a similar term.  In this case, I just used dependent.  Then I narrowed down to what I wanted.

 

I would say that over 75% of the questions asked in the forums could be answered quicker if the poster simply looked for the answer in his Help first.


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:45:29 PM | section callouts

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1/8" Wall Sections? What kind of buildings do you do? We start at nothing smaller than 3/8" for wall sections, and you still may want to add detail on top of the model at this scale. I'm talking about angles, insulation, studs, blocking and such. We usually do our biggest wall sections details at 1 1/2" or 3" depending on complexity. Aaron said he likes to detail them at the smaller scale and then blow that up. So does one of my best Revit wall section detailers. We use detail groups at smaller scales and the drawings look great. If your wall changes, you fix the detail and both scales update and you don't have to copy and paste it AGAIN.

Why do you say that you have the callout in the plan without having to use the "reference other view" option. Who calls out section details in their plan? Most of my section detail callouts are on the wall sections and they are mostly references of other views already anyway.

Thanks for your encouragement. You are such a good moderator.


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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:59:31 PM | section callouts

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I agree that Revit Help is good, but you can't find every answer there. I use it daily and it helps maybe half the time. Many of the questions in these forums can be answered by Help, but there is a higher level to our discussion than what Help can address. Much of this discussion is about technique, which is what separates good practice from best practice. If it seems like I'm hammering on the topic, it's because I think there is a lot to learn here by comparing your approach to mine. Wow. 2.6. I remember those days in school...

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Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:27:28 PM | section callouts

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In school with 2.6? ... I was hand drafting shop drawings in '68. 

 

Our wall sections are typically 3/4" model sections were we use edit cut profile on the geometry in some areas but we still don't add detail elements here.  Our callouts from these bump up to 1-1/2" and we definitely use edit cut profile for wall and floors and detail components for brick/block windows and doors etc.  We might copy paste some elements back to wall section but very few.   BTW .. edit cut profilewill copy / paste between details and parent as well as detail elements.


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