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Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 3:51:28 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Hello,

It is our first project in Revit in the office. We have now issued our drawings for tender. We are working on some changes that we are going to issue in an addendum. We will be issuing 8.5x11 EXTRACTS from our 24x36 sheets. Is there a way to do this? Is it possible to make partial views from views, without duplicating with detailing, to put them on an 8.5x11 sheet with a new title block? I think that duplicating with detailing will make the project way out of control, espacially for the detailing part...some info will be on one view, and not on the other, etc...

What is the best way to work in Revit in a construction phase, when there are a lot of changes but complete sheets aren't always issued?

Thanks in advance.

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Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:55:49 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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First - archive your file for the record.

Follow this thread to create a sketch overlay family.  This places right overtop of your sheet.  You edit the view - bubble it & tag the revision - then place this sketch which masks all except what you want to show.  After printing, you can discard the sketch & your file is up to date.

http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=53492&highlight=addendum

 

This works great ... it will take you awhile to figure out how the family works so that you can modify it with your titleblock.  We use both 8.5x11 and 11x17 sketches.


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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:08:44 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Thanks for the response.

I read all the thread and understand all the solutions proposed. I tried the solution with the 8 1/2"x11" title block with the hidden mask. One of the problems with that is when you have several extract of the same sheet on the same revision ; the management of hiding/unhiding titleblocks is not practical. Also, in CAD we usually show the grid bubble to orient the contractor ; because a 8 1/2" x11" extract from a 34"x42" sheet can be confusing.

The solution with the "duplicate view with detailing" is not an option for our office ; to many people working on the project. It will get confusing and not everybody is rigorous...

The solution with the Tiff, I thought that it was very unappropriate and backward at first. At the end, after studying the other solutions, I have developped with my collegue a good solution with that. We are printing our sheets in pdf, converting them into high resolution jpeg (300dpi). We created a CAD file for each sheet in wich we inserted the jpeg file corresponding to the sheet. Everytime we will submitt a revision, we will replace the jpeg file to update it. All our revision sheet will be in the CAD files. This is the best solution we have found, unless there is something better to propose.

Isn't there a software that can manage that?? I can't beleive that Revit don't have ANY revision management options! this is unbelievable!


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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:27:29 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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We find the masking titleblock to be a very successful solution.  We have both 8 1/2x11 and 11x17 formats and obviously, those can be in any orientation.

 

For multiple locations on the same sheet ... remember, this sheet is only required to produce your PDF.  The real revision is made to the sheet and is documented there so as soon as the PDF is made, delete the sketch sheet and make any other ones you need. Your record is the PDF's - not the Revit file.

 

Our sketches are numbered with the sheet number then the sketch number so a Rev 1 / may have SK A101-A and SK A101-B ...or whatever format you like.


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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 4:36:39 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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I find this solution very good, but we absolutely need to show our grid bubbles! I understand that this is only for printing, but the solution is too limited for us.

I hope there was a solution that revit can develop with having view of sheets or having a software that can do it!


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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:26:51 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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For a couple of grid bubbles, I would just add some bubbles in paper space....

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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:33:12 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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How do you do batch printing, in a case where you have 6 extract on one sheet?

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Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:09:14 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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We don't use batch printing here obviously.  We actually only print to PDF and we save the PDF's in our folder. We want the PDF as an electronic record so we need that anyway.  Then you can print from that.  As soon as I make the sketch, I PDF it, then delete it from the file and go on to the next.

 

We send all this work to our printer so we can use individual PDF's or combined and in this case, we send combined PDF's for the text and individual for the sketches.


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Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:39:22 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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What about using Duplicate Dependent View? Does it have any inconvinients?


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Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:53:30 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Remember - dependent views are identical (COMPLETELY) to their parent.  That means no cropping.

 

You will find that using duplicate views for bulletins and addendum's is going to get way out of hand - but have at it.

 

What did you do in CAD? ... oh - that's right - no good solutions there either!


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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:28:50 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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No cropping? I crop dependent views all the time.

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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:32:30 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that...

 

Still, from experience, dependent views for addendums are a nightmare.


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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 8:45:25 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Can you give me some insight as to why the dependent views are bad? It seems to be working rather well for us.

We are architecting a 500,000 square foot hospital, approx. $120 million. This involves 8 architectural models between 75 and 275 megabytes each for a combined 380 sheet set, and that's just the architectural!

This is our first "large" Revit project. I am determined to maintain consistency between the 8.5 x 11 addendum drawings and the original 30 x 42 sheets. Printing the "masking" title block on the original sheet and then erasing it is not an option, since we make multiple rounds of revisions before issuing an addendum.


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Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:33:23 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Everyone has their own methods.  Multiple revisions with one addendum sketch is not a problem with the overlay sheet.  The advatages of this method are: 

  1. the original view is modified, the revised area is bubbled and tagged
  2. and I don't have to do that in two seperate views. 
  3. We only bubble and tag on sheets - not in views. 
  4. And all title information on our overlay sheet is all automatically read from the sheet being revised - no coordination issues here.  
  5. And... I don't have multiple views to coordinate and that expand my project size.

 

We do not keep the addendum sheet since the PDF is our record.... BTW - Sometimes I even have 2 or 3 8.5x11 overlays for one project sheet in an addendum....

 

I can't imagine the coordination problems you will be having with 380 sheets and who knows how many duplicated/dependant views.  Good luck and please let us know how that works for you.


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Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 1:25:45 PM | views and sheets for revisions

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Great info! I like your approach. How do you manage sheet numbers for your 8.5 x 11 drawings? I guess if you have two revised plan details on a sheet, one at the top left corner and another in the bottom right corner, don't you need to print two 8.5 x 11's with the masking method?

We keep working copies of the 8.5 x 11's and frequently reissue them as part of a subsequent revision or RFI. We also group views from various sheets, i.e. plan, section elevation, onto a single 8.5 x 11 if they are part of the same revised item. It's all an effort to consolidate the addendum onto fewer sheets for organization and clarity.

So far I've added about fifty dependent views and twenty-four 8.5 x 11 sheets to a project that was 260 MB. It grew to 263. Not so bad. Coordination and file management is indeed a big part of this project, but we're in the home stretch now. It seems to me that dependent views add very little overhead to the file.


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