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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:14:53 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Somehow, my previous thread (http://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=20456) won't show any responses, so I'm reposting it here. WWHUB, the attached screenshot is the last I get to see, so I didn't get to read your response.

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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:23:46 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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If you copy the Central file to a new location then open it via the "detach" option what you get is a file that has worksets but is not a new Central file.  You need to go through the process of saving it again and under options make sure the "make this a central file" box is checked.  The reason is becasue Revit hard codes the central file location into the .rvt file using the UNC pathing.  This is so the local copies you make know where home is.  Without the re-saving, the copies of the detached central are probably still looking to the old central file location hard coded into the .rvt file since this has not been reset.

 


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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:33:09 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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I really did not respond.  You last post (a duplicate of the previous) bombed the thread. I was trying to delete the bad post but could not.

 

I'm not sure what users are doing when they do a double post like yours.  Maybe because the duplicated post had an embedded image which maybe was no longer available, the post fails but locks the thread.  As administrator, I can't even delete this post.

 

Please review how you are posting so that this does not happen again.  


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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:36:53 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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haywood had responded to your thread and wrote ..... "Hey all.  I spoke with someone from Autodesk at the last AU convention and according to them, copying the central file, renaming it, and then opening that renamed file is the preferred way to make a local copy.  Opening the central file is forbidden at our firm.  So far we've had no trouble with local copies that way."

 

Pre - 2010, this was probably a good practice but in 2010, whenever you open the central, Revit defaults the "create new local" switch to on and therefore opening the central to create a local is not a bad practice.


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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:37:17 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Tom,

 

Revit takes care of this as we detach from a Central File. This new detached file needs to be saved, and by default the saving as a Central File-option is already checked. In fact, it can't be unchecked. The file we just saved is now a Central File and any copy of it becomes a Local Copy. The extra Save As Central step is not necessary.



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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:49:50 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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On a side note, this is weird. I'm not doing anything wrong about posting a response. I just hit Submit once, and that's it. Looks like this may be on RC's end.

 

Also note the timestamp on those two replies. One's at 8:37, the other at 8:45.

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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:16:23 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Bert, did you get your answer?

All I know is that you have to be very careful of copying.renaming of central file.  I worked for Autodesk Consulting for three years and was flown into client sites at last minute because they couldn't save (sync) to central and were in a panic.  After spending many (10's of thousands) dollars to get me there I fixed their problem in a couple of mouse clicks and 30 minutes.  Almost always it was lack of clear, diagramed, written and annotated, screen captured procedures that led one or more users to think they knew how to create central and local copies, then you find that is not the case.

I've seen it where the central file ended up on a local machine and the local on the server.  To make matters worse, they were all named exactly the same. File naming standards need to be established and followed by all users.  It is best practice to name the central file with the word "central in it like:  10124 My Proj CENTRAL ARCH.rvt and the locals like" 101234 My Proj Tom D LOCAL ARCH.rvt

While at Autodesk I pushed for new file type extensions that fell on deaf ears.  My proposal was to have:

.rvc = central file

.rvl = local file

That way it would lead to less confusion and wouldn't rely on file naming standards to manage the central/local process. 



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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:37:31 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Tom, I like your suggestion to AutoDesk for separate file extensions. As for file naming, we're very strict and I do monitor all activity. We create new Local Files every single day (#####-ProjectName-User-Date.rvt) and that's strictly enforced. The Central file name ends with CENTRAL & nobody is allowed to work in the Central.

 

The only reason we had to move our Central File is because of our server issues, which leads me back to my original question. All these comments on creating Local Copies are not the issue, as my 'error' occurs when saving a new Central (so before even making Locals).

 

I've tried every possible way of creating these files (whether people like them or not), and we came to realize the error only occurs when saving to the server. We created a new Central on a hard drive, then a New one from it to the Server. After much ado, that may have solved the issue, but I'm not sure it's a permanent fix. I was just wondering if people had run into a similar issue.


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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:08:39 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Is the problem with the server or Active Directory?  Almost sounds like a Windows permission problem.

It also brings up an IT issue that I faced numerous times.  If a server got full or need replacing, it would install a new server, move the files and re-map to a drive letter so the users were none the wiser.  The problem though is Revit doesn't care about drive mapping, it uses the UNC information (servername\subdir\subdir\file.rvt)  IT departments need to be educated that if they give the new server the same name as the old one then it save the Revit people the problem of re-establishing new centrals and locals.

Keep us posted on the fix if you discover it.

 


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Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:33:20 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Thanks Tom,

 

We just received our new server a few hours ago, so I'll be transfering our project files again soon, hopefully without any glitches. I'll post any findings.


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Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:28:54 PM | File Not Saved (on server) - continued

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Tom,

 

As a follow up, after re-establishing our central files we no longer experience any problems as mentioned earlier. I guess it must have been on the server side.

 

Thanks for your help.


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