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Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 7:37:08 PM | Slopping Walls

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I have a hexagon shaft 15' tall, each face of the hexagon is 4' 2.5"Crying@ base). I want to slope each of the six walls at the top 1'8" in. I tried doing this first using the mass tools, but when I used "wall by face" I was unable to trim the walls. I also want to slope the foundation walls underneath, to match. I can't find anything on sloping walls. Thanks.

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Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 8:02:53 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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You can make the walls as in place families using "blend". Another method I've used is to do a wedge shaped reveal sweep, you could edit a new wall type to include the reveal wedge profile sweep built in. In a similar manner I would think you could also cut the walls with wedge shaped voids. Are your inside walls plumb? Post edited on 2005-09-23 20:07:06

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Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 8:53:27 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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The In place blend method would be best for ease of window and door placement without having to alter those families much.

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Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 6:49:30 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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I'm missing something. To use "blends", I'm dealing with mass, right? I have the mass showing, but I can't figure out how to trim them. I want to remove all the interior walls, where the masses intersect, up to the roof (not shown). I'm also trying to create a rounded dormer at the roof, in the masses. If I highlight more than one mass, I can no longer edit. Or should I be doing this some other way. Thanks

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Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 7:29:30 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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Sorry, I haven't used massing so I'm not any help there. Perhaps someone familiar with massing can chime in! I created the walls by making an inplace family by using the "Create" menu at the bottom of the "Modelling" menu. Select "Walls" for your family and name it accordingly, then go to "Solid Form" - "Solid Bend" to create the wall. Prior to making the walls, in the wall base plan view I used lines to make a layout sketch of the wall base to follow, then created the walls in that plan view. Made the wall one time then used copy and rotate to complete all six sides.

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Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 1:19:33 AM | RE: Slopping Walls

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I wasn't able to create the shaft, one wall at a time, as I had to create a close loop at the base and at the top. This is where I'm stuck at. How do I trim these walls on the interior to the bottom of the roof? I can't use the split tool, the hexagon shaft does not behave as walls. It's a blend, or so it says, when I stop the cursor over it, in family/create mode. When finish the sketch, I still can't split the interior of the hexagon shaft. Help!

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Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 3:17:36 AM | RE: Slopping Walls

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This might help you understand the "Create" - "Wall" - "Solid Blend" procedure. EDIT - sent the previous jpg I will repost the new one! Post edited on 2005-09-25 03:19:00

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Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 3:20:00 AM | RE: Slopping Walls

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This is the jpg

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Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 6:44:48 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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"I'm missing something. To use "blends", I'm dealing with mass, right?" No, not really, you can just create it using the "create" tool under the modelling tab, choose walls from the list and then use solid form-solid blend... HTH

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Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 2:56:51 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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There must be something that I'm missing. If I'm creating one of six walls in plan view, using "create" in the model tab (solid form/solid blend), how do I close the loop? Edit bottom at 0.0' and edit top at 15', what about the sides(?), it's not a closed loop at that point and I can't go on. The walls on the inside follow the slope, althougn the foundation walls directly underneath, can be either sloped or straight on the inside, but the outside will have the same sloped aligned with the wall above. If you know of any tutorials covering this, I would be happy to have them. I feel like I don't know as much as I thought I did about creating non standard walls. Thanks

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Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 5:42:13 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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Tutorial section-->Mr GG's tutorial - sculptured walls...

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Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 6:49:43 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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Since you are sloping the inside of walls also, your base & Top sketches should look like this. The Base sketch must form its own closed loop and the Top sketch must form its own closed loop. Basically, you draw the two sketches as 2d plan views then assign the elevations by first end elevation = Base, and second end elevation = Top, to give it the 3d blend.

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Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 10:33:22 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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Rythmick, wow, I didn't know you could create a wall by defining the top and bottom. Great. Now how do I create and opening in the sloped walls. I actually want to omit all interior walls of the shaft. It seems "opening" is what I should use at this point, but that doesn't work. It doesn't appear that I can edit this walls when I highlight them. I'm doing this from a section view, see attached. eldados, thanks for pointing out the Mr GG tutorial, that's what I'm looking for. I appreciate the help.

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Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:59:10 AM | RE: Slopping Walls

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For your opening you can create another in place family - "generic" as a void extrusion and use that void to cut the walls. To make the void, select a line in the common wall from a plan view for your working plane, sketch the void (cut out) from your section and assign depths in both directions from your working plane, before you close the family you use the cut tool to have the void cut the walls. Post edited on 2005-09-27 11:09:47

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Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 12:07:30 PM | RE: Slopping Walls

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That worked. Thanks for your patience with me, this is my first project with Revit and I'm having trouble making the transition from AutoCAD. I've only taking one, one week course and I'm trying to fill in my knowledge with tutorials and sites like this one. Now on to the next challanges.

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