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Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:06:55 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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Hi all -

RS2009 - How do I make Revit show a beam pulled back from it's supporting beam (indicating it is hung off the beam) in course view, as typically done on most framing plans?

 

Attached is an example - the image on the left is course detail (end pull-back is NOT visible), the image on the right is the same connection at medium detail (end pull-back IS visible).

 

 



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Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:36:55 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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Is the beam sloped? Is the beam offset vertically? I've seen both situations react oddly. Another thing that seems to have fixed those situations for me is to just grab the grip on the end of the beam and droping it right back where it is, but making sure it snaps to either the end of the opposite beam, or the intersection of the supporting beam. Did you draw in that particular beam, or did you copy it from another location? I have also seen that cause problems, it seems like sometimes Revit can't figure out the beams are supposed to be attached.

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Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:10:05 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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Thanks for your reply TK - my answers to your questions are in bold type below - 

 

Is the beam sloped? No.

Is the beam offset vertically? No.

I've seen both situations react oddly. Another thing that seems to have fixed those situations for me is to just grab the grip on the end of the beam and droping it right back where it is, but making sure it snaps to either the end of the opposite beam, or the intersection of the supporting beam. I've seen that too, but this is a global problem on my project, not just one spot.  The offset works fine in medium and fine detail level, just not course - which leads me to believe it is a course display issue, not a modeling issue.

 Did you draw in that particular beam, or did you copy it from another location? I have also seen that cause problems, it seems like sometimes Revit can't figure out the beams are supposed to be attached.  It's happening regardless of how the beam was created. 


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Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:42:23 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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Have you checked your structural settings and made sure that it's supposed to be drawing an offset?

 Also, the offset you see in Medium/Fine has nothing to do with the one you see in Coarse. What you see in M/F is the actual modeled setback, what you see in C is just a graphic representation.


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Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:32:00 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in coarse detail level

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How do I make that graphical representation in Coarse view show the end of the beam pulled back?  Editing the member's "Start Extension" and "End Extension" has no effect on it in Coarse view.

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Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:53:11 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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OK, I figured it out partially....go to Settings > Structural Settings > Symbolic Representation Settings tab, and adjust the Beam/Truss Symbolic Cutback Distance. 

Now I have this problem:

Before, I said the members were not sloped.  Now I'm working on a different project that does have sloped wood roof members.  Some ends are pulled back, some are not (even within the same beam system).  See the attached jpg. Since this is a global setting, I'm confused as to why this is.  You mentioned that sometimes members will display 'oddly' when sloped.  I tried the 'drag and re-drop' suggestion but no luck.  Any other ideas??



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Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:41:33 PM | Beam end pull-back visibility in course detail level

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Here it is again: same problem . . . and no solution.

Any ideas out there?


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