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Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:18:35 PM | Door schedule

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I am trying to recreate door and hardware schedules to match what is currently being done in the office, but I'm having trouble doing it intelligently. I have a couple schedules hacked together that end up looking right, but they aren't very smart, and I'm trying to come up with a way to make them work better. I currently have a schedule key made for the hardware sets, but all it really does is allow me to pick the hardware set in the door schedule. I could just as easily have a text parameter in the door schedule for all the good it's really doing me. I have another separate schedule for the hardware that schedules some junk families and sorts them by the hardware set to get the headers looking right. Again, it all looks right on the sheet, but it's a manual system. Nothing in the hardware schedule is reflected back to the doors (I'd like to see a list of the hardware in the door instance properties) and vice-versa. There has got to be a better way of setting these up.

Here are some examples of what I'm trying to end up with. For the sake of brevity I'm omitting most of the columns.

Door Schedule

Mark     Room     Hardware Set

01        Kitchen    Set A

02        Dining     Set B

 

Hardware Schedule

QTY     Name     Part #

Set A

3ea     Hinge     12345

1ea     Closer    54321

Set B

3ea    Hinge     12345

1ea    Lock       ABC123


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Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:27:59 PM | Door schedule

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Revit's schedules are great because they can be model driven but then you have to live with their limitations.  This is an either or.  If you want the model to drive the schedule, then leran to live within its limitations.  Otherwise, do a dumb schedule like you did in CAD.

 

Revits schedules are simple:

Element - property - property - property etc.....

Where element is the model element that holds the various properties.  You can not arrange this in any other format.


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Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 5:50:00 PM | Door schedule

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Ok, so now I feel like less of an idiot for beating my head against that wall. Dumb schedules it is then, since this is one of the few sticking points the decision making folks insist on.

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Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 6:11:24 AM | Door schedule

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I have been struggling with the same thing.  It really boils down to this:

We want a schedule for inputting the hardware information.  (e.g. L1 = Lockset, mfr., model, finish).  It would be a place to place all of the hardware spec. information.

Then, you will want a place to group the hardware.  The Hardware Group schedule.

Then, in the Door Schedule you can assign the Hardware Group.

Where it falls down is that the Hardware Input Key Schedule can not be linked to the Hardware Group schedule (also a Key Schedule).

The Door Schedule is an instance based schedule.  It is unrealistic to expect users to input the hardware sets for each instance.  Especially on projects with 100+ doors.

I'm now looking into creating C# based plug-ins to bridge the gap.  Any other ideas are more than welcome.


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Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:45:52 PM | Door schedule

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I use "schedule keys" for this.   Create parameters at the project level: {manage/project parameters/add/project parameter/check "door hardware" category}. Then create schedule keys for your Hardare sets.   The nice part is in the master schedule you can just display the Hardware set  CryingA, B, C...whatever) and related fields (hinges, locksets) then create a separate schedule that displays, sorts, & counts just the hardware sets.  Or key it on a key type like "privacy1, privacy2" that has all of the related propoerties keyed. 

Once you have it the way you want it, {saveas/library/view/<schedule name>} to a folder and you can import the saved view to a new project with insert/insert from file/insert views from file/<schedule name> 

Or throw them out to excel {file/export/report/schedule} then import in excel with {data/from text}.  There are add-ins that do this better too.  

The problem always is that every door is a story, so you have to be careful not to try to standardize everything into the key types.  A privacy lockset may be 8' tall door and 4 hinges one time, 80" door and 3 hinges another time.  etc.  

 

 

 


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Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:47:17 PM | Door schedule

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emoticon, not intended. 


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