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Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:37:54 PM | Wall ends

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i would like to know how revit dealswith a wall that comes up against awindow when the wall has insulationor an air space in the wall that can't be left open against the side edge of the window.. there needs to be something on the end of the wall that then goes up against the window..

how does revit deal with this?

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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:56:52 AM | Wall ends

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So many times, we try to over model ...  What do you need to show and when?  What you want might be included in the window family or maybe it's just detail elements added to the appropriate detail.  I prefer the latter.

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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:12:10 AM | Wall ends

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thanks Hub-

 

i don't really know what i'm trying to show- i was never

a drafter or in construction.. but somebody was saying

revit doesn't show the wall properly around a window..

but i found the wall wrapping parameter in wall properties

and this is what i was able to do.. maybe this is it.. and do

you know how this would translate properly for the

construction documents? would there be anything else

that would be needed to represent construction of the

wall around this window? thanks..



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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:05:06 AM | Wall ends

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why are some people saying this is the wrong way to

construct a wall around that window? why is revit showing

it this way? is there anything wrong with constructing it

this way? has it ever been constructed this way?

thank you- this is important to me if anyone can help..



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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:03:23 PM | Wall ends

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I can't tell you how to detail your window, that is up to you but I will say this is strange.  Normally you only return the brick in a deep setback window if the brick is exposed.  Your brick is not exposed in the jambs so I don't know why you want to do this,  As an architect, I will say I think you need to decide where your window is setting and how it is anchored into position.  Is it a nailfin window?  Do you want deep exterior returens or deep interior jambs.  Your decesions based on aesthetics and detail requirements.

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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38:49 PM | Wall ends

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For the wall wrapping, go the the type properties of the wall and check the "structure" of the wall.  You will see check boxes called "wraps"  These control whether or not a "layer" in the wall responds to the wrapping you set.  In your case I would uncheck all layers from wrapping except the face brick.

Even then, you have to know how you want to construct the wall/window.  The Revit mantra is "model it like you build it".  This may require a more well developed window family, a better wall assembly or combination there of.

 


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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:07:33 PM | Wall ends

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thanks both of you for your help..

you are beginning to identify what i am asking..

i realize there may be different ways this window

could actually be built into that wall.

revit can't know exactly how a builder or a local

code would want that wall to fit around that

window.. but as you can see in this attachment-

the parameter selected for "wrapping

at inserts" (window)  made the wall fit around

the window this way..

does this mean revit thinks that is the way MOST

builders would want to do it? does revit just intend

to show it the way it THINKS most builders would

want it? and is that actually the way most builders

WOULD want it.. what i am asking about is that

revit must have some reason for showing it

the way it does.. maybe revit doesn't expect

you to actually build it that way but just sets

it up to make it easier for your to modify it

manually to the way you want? WHY is revit

showing it this way?

 

 

 



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Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:39:56 PM | Wall ends

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okay i think i got it- thanks..

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Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:00:53 PM | Wall ends

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FYI, just another thing to note.  A lot of people miss this, but to control to what extent the wrapping depth occurs you need to define this in your actual window family.

You'll notice in the instance properties of your reference planes that there is a parameter called "wall closure".  If this is ticked this is the point where wall wrapping at inserts will return to.

 

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Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:37:09 AM | Wall ends

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wow Mr. Spot that is amazing.. i sure missed it..

thanks very much..


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